2025 Haas F1 Team

[dennis h]

surprise, surprise a lot of us were surprised :

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... T1TCZBB8iZ

[dennis h]

No quick fix to Haas problems :

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/haas ... -china-f1/

[continuum16]

By "aerodynamic oscillation" I wonder if they mean porpoising or something different. If it is porpoising I wonder if it would be related to the rear suspension, although the team seem fairly convinced it is an aero issue. If the problem is in high speed or prolonged corners then Australia, China, Japan, and Saudi are some of the worst possible circuits, and all are in the first five rounds. Perhaps in Bahrain they will be competitive because there is only one high speed corner, in turn 6. In testing, their long run pace in Bahrain was similar to or ahead of Williams so I can see why this was a complete shock in Australia. If the tests were in Barcelona it would have been immediately apparent in turn 3 and the last corners.

I remember there was a quote form one of the engineers that said they had been very aggressive at the rear of the car; perhaps they have bit off more than they can chew there. Even still, Komatsu talks about how the wind tunnel numbers show there should be a lot better, which is the same kind of talk that Mercedes and Aston have been spewing for three years.

It would seem that these ground-effect cars have a performance ceiling, where after that the car becomes significantly unstable. Maybe until now Haas had not really hit that ceiling that the top teams hit 2-3 years ago, but now they have. At least they seem to understand what the problem is, but whether or not they can fix it will determine if this year will be any different than 2019 when none of their "solutions" did anything meaningful. Also I wonder if this will hurt them for 2026.

[dennis h]

Much better first day in China:

https://www.pitpass.com/79697/Chinese-G ... notes-Haas

[dennis h]

Much better than the first race, qualifying 11th and 17th...
Later we will hear their comments on qualifying, and tomorrow how their race pace is...

[dennis h]

With a 7th (Ocon) and 10th ( Bearman) place finish in China, Haas climbs the Manufacturers standings to 7th place. Good job.
How do you think they will do in Japan in a couple of weeks ? Competitive or Melbourne all over again?

[dennis h]

A good day for Haas got even better with the unfortunate DQ of both Ferrari's, points went from seven to fourteen for the race...

[CHT]

Great start and good to see bearman bouncing back

[jaysvw]

I hope so, but I am not 100% sure. It seems like they are basically following last year's plan; and on the last day they ran some lower-fuel running with Hulk but they were still 1s off of Sauber. So my guess is not really. I hope for their own good that they are refueling the car between every run because pretty much every lap has been between 1:34.5 and 1:36.0, independent of compound, other than a few 1:33s from Ocon. Because every run is the same and there was not a clear race sim where fuel is clearly burning off between runs it is hard to tell where they are. Could be anywhere from 3rd to 10th. Ocon in particular had two good looking long runs about 15 minutes apart. I think it was on the C3, which would be the soft if it was a race weekend.

Stint A:
1:33.350
1:34.666
1:34.573
1:34.638
1:34.775
1:34.450
1:34.825
1:34.924
1:34.821
1:34.970
1:35.073
1:35.128
1:35.029

Stint B:
1:33.071
1:35.031
1:34.696
1:34.979
1:34.811
1:34.912
1:35.017
1:35.198
1:35.231
1:35.131
1:34.844
1:35.380
1:35.309
1:35.516

If that was meant to be a mid-race fuel level, then the times are not far off of Ferrari(!) and track similar to Lawson in the Red Bull, even though I would doubt they are that close to the works team or Red Bull. But more promising than Sauber, VCARB, and the "long" runs that Sainz did in the Williams which were all in the 1:35.0-1:36.5 range. I think people who expect them to be obvious backmarkers are underestimating the discipline they have to avoid any performance running.

I think some of that pace showed up today. They had very good RP, and appeared to be gentle on the tires. It's just wild that Melbourne was a week ago and this car seems completely different. I know there are track and weather differences, but no way that accounts for everything that went down in China.

The team did an outstanding job getting the setup figured out.

[dennis h]

Haas allegedly bringing updates to Japan so watch for update announcements.

And Melbourne problems not yet fixed:

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/why- ... not-fixed/

[dennis h]

Another move by Haas ?

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/335633/h ... akawa.html

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If that [testing sting] was meant to be a mid-race fuel level, then the times are not far off of Ferrari(!) and track similar to Lawson in the Red Bull, even though I would doubt they are that close to the works team or Red Bull. But more promising than Sauber, VCARB, and the "long" runs that Sainz did in the Williams which were all in the 1:35.0-1:36.5 range. I think people who expect them to be obvious backmarkers are underestimating the discipline they have to avoid any performance running.

I think some of that pace showed up today. They had very good RP, and appeared to be gentle on the tires. It's just wild that Melbourne was a week ago and this car seems completely different. I know there are track and weather differences, but no way that accounts for everything that went down in China.

The team did an outstanding job getting the setup figured out.

If nothing else this makes me feel like I wasn't going crazy combing through testing times . I guess Japan will point more toward whether Australia or China was the outlier.

[AR3-GP]

The Haas livery for Japan is the Toyota effect.

[dennis h]

Haas has mechanical updates for Japan as well :

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2025/03/ ... -weakness/

[AR3-GP]

Haas has mechanical updates for Japan as well :

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2025/03/ ... -weakness/

Where does it say that the update is "mechanical"?