HRT F112 Cosworth

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Will HRT be in Q2 in 2012?

Yes - at the start of the Season
16
5%
Yes - by Germany
22
7%
No - not in 2012
167
54%
Never!
103
33%
 
Total votes: 308

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Petroltorque wrote:It depends whether you believe HRT's performance is chassis limited or engine limited. To put it simply a good chassis can compensate for a weaker engine. The converse, however, does not hold true. If you are not to young I would cast your mind back to the 1988 season. The McLaren MP4/4 won 15 oyut of 16 races, yet Lotus was nowhere with the same twin turbo Honda V6.
Yes many factors to consider although Williams thought that this was a significant factor. This Could explain Caterhams improvement last year but it will be harder to tell with williams this year(with expected Aero improvements) but we will see some indication on how much the deficit is.
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The real comparison will be how HRT stack up against Marussia, a team that has also undergone considerable restructuring over the off season.
Correct me if I'm wrong but HRT will run the K configuration of the Cosworth CA2012.

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Petroltorque wrote:The real comparison will be how HRT stack up against Marussia, a team that has also undergone considerable restructuring over the off season.
Correct me if I'm wrong but HRT will run the K configuration of the Cosworth CA2012.
Only when they attach KERS later in the season, till then they will run the CA2012 version. Id recon the KERS will bolt in about half way thru the year once they have got the car propperly baselined with at least one update on it. Kers will be worth more then.

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If that were the case that would affect the allocation of engines from Cosworth. I had thought that engine allocation has to be ratified by the FIA prior to the start of the season. If they're satrting without the KERS engine that means a mish mash engine supply.
Last year Williams setup Barrichello's car without KERs for one qualifying session but still used the KERS engine.

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Surely they will use the K engine as they FIA will need to ratify them before the start of the season?

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I am quite disappointed that HRT wont start the season with KERS but it is probably too risky at the moment. Hopefully they will feel the need to implement it sooner if possible. I think it was 2008 when Renault were allowed to modify their engine because of a deficit, Surely If there is a deficit with Cosworth they would be asking for the same ?

HRT's website don't specify if they are using the KERS version is there that much difference I thought it would mainly be the gearbox?

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It also relates to the MGU installation which has its take off from the front of the crankshaft.
My take is that HRT will need to have KERS ready for the Mugello test prior to the start of the European races.
HRT need to solve off track issues like appointing an experienced TD to troubleshoot the new car issues.
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Larger pic of before:
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I am now thinking a yellow paint scheme with red highlights would have made a better look. With the drivers in a simmilar race suit would also look good as well.

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Wait, am I seeing that right – they're not using the engine as part of the chassis?

o.O 1950s F1 tech!

Saribro
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Fuel tank, engine gets bolted to the back.

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Saribro wrote:Fuel tank, engine gets bolted to the back.
That's a long way rearward for the engine in an F1 car.

Look at the position in the RB7 for example:
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Note that the front to cylinders are forward of the rear of the radiator, and the RB7 has some of the tiniest radiators on any car.

In the F112 it appears that the radiators are wholy in front of the engine mounting point. More so, they're a good distance in front. To me, it looks more like the chassis is built around the engine, but maybe I'm imagining things.

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Image Engine no gearbox

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Ah cheers, that's much clearer what's going on now.

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dice782
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Its really good to see the HRT in the garage this year but there doesn't seem to be any photos of the Marussia I was looking forward to comparing the 2.

Marshals practicing an extraction on the F112 . Cant see any front wing!Who's the driver?

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I might be mistaken, but I think they could have new nose. Compare those two pictures:

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On the first transition looks Ferrari-esque, on the second U-shaped. The paintjob also seems to be different.