2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Spoutnik]

He need to get back to last year when he was calm, cool, composed and consistent. Last year he accepted he was slower than Leclerc on raw pace by taking more time to understand the car, look like he don't want to loose time this year like this, but it's not efficient...

[JPower]

He's done it in Monza 2020
But, yes that's exactly what I'm talking about, he cannot finish 3rd every race, we are not in 2021.
Hope this disastrous week-end will wake him up, as he can't be average each race he need to step up his game

not sure he will gain from this or struggle even more. its the pressure the desperation to beat lec that's hampering him. not sure it will goaway or increase even more after this weekend.

He need to get back to last year when he was calm, cool, composed and consistent. Last year he accepted he was slower than Leclerc on raw pace by taking more time to understand the car, look like he don't want to loose time this year like this, but it's not efficient...

He literally said that he was taking time to understand the car repeatedly over the first two races and up through qualifying this weekend.

You all are spinning false narratives over a bad result.

[Vanja #66]

not sure he will gain from this or struggle even more. its the pressure the desperation to beat lec that's hampering him. not sure it will goaway or increase even more after this weekend.

What the hell are you gloating for? Please stop.

[silver]

20 races left with a possible 26pts each race. 520pts excluding sprint races. a 38pointgap at present to anyone, is nothing given its less than a 1% lead from total available points. Anything can happen regarding points.

I really dont think sainz will get the 'lead driver' this season unless he constantly outshines Charles.

I think this is true. The job is extra hard for Sainz now with his DNF. Leclerc is doing superb job, he finishes in the possible place on Saturdays and on Sundays. His lead over his nearest potential championship contenders is quite high, but the season is long. I don't hope any DNFs for Leclerc and also I hope none for his championship contenders. Would like to see a close fight, but if Leclerc runs away with it, so be it. Ferrari have waited really long for a season like this and I hope they do a perfect job through the year.

[Mr.S]

38 points lead ahead of Sainz after 3 races. By Race 10 in Silverstone, Ferrari have to throw their weight behind someone. If Leclerc can win 4/5 races out of the next 7, he will have a 100+ point lead over Sainz & then it will be easy for Ferrari.

RB is fantastic with In season updates & you can have many RB 1-2s in the 2nd half. They anyways have the heaviest car also. Perez is also doing decent enough to take No. 2/3 spot if need be.

Hungary, Race 13 is before the winter break & that is when RB will go all out behind Max (Perez has only 5 points ahead of Max even with 2 DNFs for Max). The time will come for Sainz to be the obiedent boy & stop these tantrums.

If he wasn’t trying to overpush to beat Leclerc he would likely be on the podium today !

38 pts deficit isn't the end of the wordl, I saw on twitter Vettel 2010 (or 2012 ?) was 44 pts behind Alonso at the begginning of the season.
Charles got a very good momentum, but at some point he'll suffer a DNF or start from behind due to an issue in qualy, we'll see how he react, and Carlos has always been very weak at starting the season if you look at his career, even last season. It's a good wake up call for him he need to understand he's fighting for win every week.

Vettel was 37 points behind after Race 2 because of 1 DNF in 2010 but he was always 10-20-25 points there with likely the faster car in 2010. In 2012, I can't remember it ever went to 38 points.

So no it hasn't been done. Max's highest lead in 2021 was 32 odd points & it took Mercedes' monster engine to draw level till the very last race.

No1 I remember was 50-60 points behind mid-way & won the championship. It is not possible & the reality. I am btw not talking about Race 3 but about Race 10-12-13, before the summer break when teams have to make a decision. If it is 60-70-80 points near the half-way mark, Ferrari have to take a decision. They can't do things like not putting the new diffuser on Charles to not upset Carlos. Sainz's strategy then has to aid Leclerc's victory - Ferrari haven't won a WDC since 2007. If Sainz is around 10-20-30 points behind Leclerc around the half-way mark then fair play to him & he can compete IMO.

[Mr.S]

He's done it in Monza 2020
But, yes that's exactly what I'm talking about, he cannot finish 3rd every race, we are not in 2021.
Hope this disastrous week-end will wake him up, as he can't be average each race he need to step up his game

not sure he will gain from this or struggle even more. its the pressure the desperation to beat lec that's hampering him. not sure it will goaway or increase even more after this weekend.

He need to get back to last year when he was calm, cool, composed and consistent. Last year he accepted he was slower than Leclerc on raw pace by taking more time to understand the car, look like he don't want to loose time this year like this, but it's not efficient...

When will people accept that last year Sainz had a historically lucky year & Leclerc had disastrous luck. If Ferrari had checked Leclerc's gearbox during Monaco he would have a podium likely. Instead Sainz got 18 points lead there. In Hungary, Leclerc had a brilliant start going to 3-4th place odd away from the crash when Stroll took him out & instead Sainz who didn't do much, ended with a podium when Vettel had fuel issues & half the field was taken out. Russia - Ferrari pitted Sainz in the rain & he got a podium,Leclerc pitted later & got nothing. Abu Dhabi - Perez retirement, Safety Car etc meant Sainz got a podium. And it goes on - Sainz spins in Baku (run-off) etc cost him nothing.

A normal year would mean Sainz would be 60-70 points behind Leclerc (who also had terrible strategy from Ferrari). Instead it got to his head & he thought he was better than Leclerc. Marko then elevated him & took a dig @ wonderboy "Leclerc" to boost up Verstappen. All of it has got to Sainz but Leclerc has been remarkably calm, said it was a humbling experience last season, never blamed Ferrari for wrong strategy calls, never blamed luck & errors of Ferrari (which he would be right to blame). And he absorbed all that & came calm. And he has race winning experience from Monza/Spa over a title winning Mercedes, is great in Q3 during crunch time, is very good in starts as well & took his last year with such a positive attitude & made no excuses.

Sainz who had none of these qualities or the raw pace to be a World Champion, had a terrible start today (Alonso was fine on the hard tyres), made mistakes in Q3 in Australia yesterday, messed up in last Q3 run in Bahrain when he couldn't improve. He is now blaming Binotto, Ferrari, starter, hydraulics, luck (Sainz also benefitted from Verstappen's DNF in Bahrain & Perez's pre-SC pit stop in Saudi). Very ironical when the reason that he was 5 points ahead last season was all the luck in the world last season anyways but he thought it was his pure raw speed & he should be WDC & the media hyped him to the moon as well !

[falonso81]

No1 I remember was 50-60 points behind mid-way & won the championship. It is not possible & the reality. I am btw not talking about Race 3 but about Race 10-12-13, before the summer break when teams have to make a decision. If it is 60-70-80 points near the half-way mark, Ferrari have to take a decision. They can't do things like not putting the new diffuser on Charles to not upset Carlos. Sainz's strategy then has to aid Leclerc's victory - Ferrari haven't won a WDC since 2007. If Sainz is around 10-20-30 points behind Leclerc around the half-way mark then fair play to him & he can compete IMO.

In 2012 going into round 11 in Hungary, Alonso had 34pts over Webber and 44pts over Vettel who eventually won the title by 3pts. That year though Ferrari had a tractor instead of a car and it was a combination of Alonso's skills, luck and McLaren and Red Bull taking points off each other that held him in the title fight.

[falonso81]

In 2012 going into round 11 in Hungary, Alonso had 34pts over Webber and 44pts over Vettel who eventually won the title by 3pts. That year though Ferrari had a tractor instead of a car and it was a combination of Alonso's skills, luck and McLaren and Red Bull taking points off each other that held him in the title fight.

[Mr.S]

In 2012 going into round 11 in Hungary, Alonso had 34pts over Webber and 44pts over Vettel who eventually won the title by 3pts. That year though Ferrari had a tractor instead of a car and it was a combination of Alonso's skills, luck and McLaren and Red Bull taking points off each other that held him in the title fight.

Yea that Ferrari was clearly 3rd quickest odd car & possibly worse in some cases. It was 34 over Webber & 44 over Vettel if you are correct. 30-40 as exceptional case is manageable 70-80 clearly isn’t.

And even for 2012, Vettel wouldn’t have won without Alonso’s DNF like the one Grosjean caused. That is what you need when you are 40+ points behind & you need the quickest car & a slower teammate like Webber. In this case, Sainz & Leclerc will be competing in the same car.

Let us see how much the margin goes - Behind 60+ points it will become increasingly tough !

[Juzh]

not sure he will gain from this or struggle even more. its the pressure the desperation to beat lec that's hampering him. not sure it will goaway or increase even more after this weekend.

He need to get back to last year when he was calm, cool, composed and consistent. Last year he accepted he was slower than Leclerc on raw pace by taking more time to understand the car, look like he don't want to loose time this year like this, but it's not efficient...

When will people accept that last year Sainz had a historically lucky year & Leclerc had disastrous luck. If Ferrari had checked Leclerc's gearbox during Monaco he would have a podium likely. Instead Sainz got 18 points lead there. In Hungary, Leclerc had a brilliant start going to 3-4th place odd away from the crash when Stroll took him out & instead Sainz who didn't do much, ended with a podium when Vettel had fuel issues & half the field was taken out. Russia - Ferrari pitted Sainz in the rain & he got a podium,Leclerc pitted later & got nothing. Abu Dhabi - Perez retirement, Safety Car etc meant Sainz got a podium. And it goes on - Sainz spins in Baku (run-off) etc cost him nothing.

A normal year would mean Sainz would be 60-70 points behind Leclerc (who also had terrible strategy from Ferrari). Instead it got to his head & he thought he was better than Leclerc. Marko then elevated him & took a dig @ wonderboy "Leclerc" to boost up Verstappen. All of it has got to Sainz but Leclerc has been remarkably calm, said it was a humbling experience last season, never blamed Ferrari for wrong strategy calls, never blamed luck & errors of Ferrari (which he would be right to blame). And he absorbed all that & came calm. And he has race winning experience from Monza/Spa over a title winning Mercedes, is great in Q3 during crunch time, is very good in starts as well & took his last year with such a positive attitude & made no excuses.

Sainz who had none of these qualities or the raw pace to be a World Champion, had a terrible start today (Alonso was fine on the hard tyres), made mistakes in Q3 in Australia yesterday, messed up in last Q3 run in Bahrain when he couldn't improve. He is now blaming Binotto, Ferrari, starter, hydraulics, luck (Sainz also benefitted from Verstappen's DNF in Bahrain & Perez's pre-SC pit stop in Saudi). Very ironical when the reason that he was 5 points ahead last season was all the luck in the world last season anyways but he thought it was his pure raw speed & he should be WDC & the media hyped him to the moon as well !

Fair assessment of Sainz' season last year and his relative lack of performance that still somehow put him ahead of leclerc. To me it was obvious he's not got the pace, skill or racecraft to pose any real challenge once ferrari makes a good car. Leclerc will take it and run away with it. Sainz is basically perez level, this year even worse so far.

[Shal_Leg16]

He need to get back to last year when he was calm, cool, composed and consistent. Last year he accepted he was slower than Leclerc on raw pace by taking more time to understand the car, look like he don't want to loose time this year like this, but it's not efficient...

When will people accept that last year Sainz had a historically lucky year & Leclerc had disastrous luck. If Ferrari had checked Leclerc's gearbox during Monaco he would have a podium likely. Instead Sainz got 18 points lead there. In Hungary, Leclerc had a brilliant start going to 3-4th place odd away from the crash when Stroll took him out & instead Sainz who didn't do much, ended with a podium when Vettel had fuel issues & half the field was taken out. Russia - Ferrari pitted Sainz in the rain & he got a podium,Leclerc pitted later & got nothing. Abu Dhabi - Perez retirement, Safety Car etc meant Sainz got a podium. And it goes on - Sainz spins in Baku (run-off) etc cost him nothing.

A normal year would mean Sainz would be 60-70 points behind Leclerc (who also had terrible strategy from Ferrari). Instead it got to his head & he thought he was better than Leclerc. Marko then elevated him & took a dig @ wonderboy "Leclerc" to boost up Verstappen. All of it has got to Sainz but Leclerc has been remarkably calm, said it was a humbling experience last season, never blamed Ferrari for wrong strategy calls, never blamed luck & errors of Ferrari (which he would be right to blame). And he absorbed all that & came calm. And he has race winning experience from Monza/Spa over a title winning Mercedes, is great in Q3 during crunch time, is very good in starts as well & took his last year with such a positive attitude & made no excuses.

Sainz who had none of these qualities or the raw pace to be a World Champion, had a terrible start today (Alonso was fine on the hard tyres), made mistakes in Q3 in Australia yesterday, messed up in last Q3 run in Bahrain when he couldn't improve. He is now blaming Binotto, Ferrari, starter, hydraulics, luck (Sainz also benefitted from Verstappen's DNF in Bahrain & Perez's pre-SC pit stop in Saudi). Very ironical when the reason that he was 5 points ahead last season was all the luck in the world last season anyways but he thought it was his pure raw speed & he should be WDC & the media hyped him to the moon as well !

Fair assessment of Sainz' season last year and his relative lack of performance that still somehow put him ahead of leclerc. To me it was obvious he's not got the pace, skill or race craft to pose any real challenge once ferrari makes a good car. Leclerc will take it and run away with it. Sainz is basically perez level, this year even worse so far.

parez, sainz are on similar level , good but not at that top level.

about Sainz's luck last season, obviously its really hard to convince his fans about that but he was indeed a bit lucky. just chek his final results last season you wont find a single 4th place finish. Hungary, Abudhabi, Russia all these races he was 4th or around , some how some mess in front gave him the podium. compare that to Charles who had six top4 finishes but no such luck of him.

Anyways to be honest Sainz is a good driver, the slack he is getting sply on forums like this is not his fault. its his Fans , his PR and guys like Marko who tried to hype him to a level he is not .

if he follows Parez's attitude and just focuses on optimizing his performance he can still be in top 3 driver's. He is good enough for that specially with that car.

[Alonsismo]

if Ferrari keeps the pace, Sainz will be 2022 WDC.

Sainz is better than Leclerc.
in qualy leclerc is only 0.05-0.1s faster, but leclercs race pace is worse than sainzs pace.

[ferkan]

if Ferrari keeps the pace, Sainz will be 2022 WDC.

Sainz is better than Leclerc.
in qualy leclerc is only 0.05-0.1s faster, but leclercs race pace is worse than sainzs pace.

Sainz is not as good as Leclerc, let alone better him. Plus, if anything, difference in race pace looks bigger then in qualy.

[wowgr8]

Leclerc should make minimum mistakes & it should be wrapped up as quickly as possible. Leclerc shouldn't risk a DNF to lose the title in the last race. He is 30+ points ahead of Verstappen, Sainz. It will be really disappointing & weak of him & Ferrari if this goes to the last race !

Too soon to say this. At this stage of the season everyone is facing issues that are skewing the pecking order in one way or another. Anthony Davidson (works for Mercedes) quote from February "what you see for the first few races of the year won't be what you see the rest of the year". If we get to the mid season break and Ferrari are still looking comfortably on top then we can talk about them having to bring the championships home. CL himself said post race it's too early for championship chat

[Shal_Leg16]

if Ferrari keeps the pace, Sainz will be 2022 WDC.

Sainz is better than Leclerc.
in qualy leclerc is only 0.05-0.1s faster, but leclercs race pace is worse than sainzs pace.

Sainz is not as good as Leclerc, let alone better him. Plus, if anything, difference in race pace looks bigger then in qualy.

he is just being sarcastic.