2021 Mclaren F1 Team

[McL-H]

I rewatched the race and want to point out that Max had a 11.1 seconds pitstop and came behind Ricciardo with a 10.1 second disadvantage. Meaning, that to even fight Ricciardo at pit exit, Verstappen would have needed a 1 second pitstop. Impossible. Regardless of whether RBR had pulled of a good pitstop, the win would have been Daniels’, as it was clearly impossible for Max to get ahead and Daniel was faultless all weekend.

They truly won this race on merit. Don’t let the people who say McLaren won because of the collision fool you.

[mwillems]

That 2.4 pitstop has the pitstop buffer time built into it also, it truly was spot on when the pressure counted.

Edit: The delay is .2 of a second, so the actual timed effor lasted 2.2 seconds. For a team whose pitstops have repeatedly been a nightmare, this stop could not have come at a better time.

[mwillems]

Daniel has pushed into 8th position in the standings, Icing on the cake would be that he is able to get past one or more of the Ferrari Drivers.

On another note, isn't it great to see that Carlos has held his own against Leclerc, who is undoubtedly one hell of a driver.

[1m0bius1]

Ricciardo coming into his stride now. I think hes getting used to the cars characteristics. But i think there is still a little more performance to unlock on his side. I believe once he unlocks it he will be fundamentally faster than Norris. It took a while but this is great news. This two week break will be good for him. He can do a little more sim work and see where he can improve.

Hurry up and get that Wind tunnel and new sim done!!!

[Ground Effect]

Pat Fry was full of praise for Daniel, describing him as “outstanding and a great motivator”. If ever the honey badger nickname made sense, it was this weekend. I find it incredible and impressive that no mater how poor a weekend was for Daniel or how disappointed he was, even not smiling, you never read self doubt. He never seemed to infer that maybe he’s just not that quick anymore. From Friday he had been hinting about winning at Monza, meaning he basically knew what he and the car was capable of and that he could deliver. Really happy for him.

[El Scorchio]

I rewatched the race and want to point out that Max had a 11.1 seconds pitstop and came behind Ricciardo with a 10.1 second disadvantage. Meaning, that to even fight Ricciardo at pit exit, Verstappen would have needed a 1 second pitstop. Impossible. Regardless of whether RBR had pulled of a good pitstop, the win would have been Daniels’, as it was clearly impossible for Max to get ahead and Daniel was faultless all weekend.

They truly won this race on merit. Don’t let the people who say McLaren won because of the collision fool you.

Completely agree. Without 'the incident' it's entirely possible it would still have been a McLaren 1-2 also, as Norris was out in second after the pit stops. However, my gut says that Verstappen and Hamilton may have concertina'd up behind Norris and it's possible all three could have been wiped out at turn 1 sooner or later, which would have been so unfair on Norris.

[mwillems]

I rewatched the race and want to point out that Max had a 11.1 seconds pitstop and came behind Ricciardo with a 10.1 second disadvantage. Meaning, that to even fight Ricciardo at pit exit, Verstappen would have needed a 1 second pitstop. Impossible. Regardless of whether RBR had pulled of a good pitstop, the win would have been Daniels’, as it was clearly impossible for Max to get ahead and Daniel was faultless all weekend.

They truly won this race on merit. Don’t let the people who say McLaren won because of the collision fool you.

Completely agree. Without 'the incident' it's entirely possible it would still have been a McLaren 1-2 also, as Norris was out in second after the pit stops. However, my gut says that Verstappen and Hamilton may have concertina'd up behind Norris and it's possible all three could have been wiped out at turn 1 sooner or later, which would have been so unfair on Norris.

I disagree sadly.

Norris on the Meds was slower than Ham on the Hards. Ham would have been going at a blistering pace after his pit. If everyone had no accidents or penalties, There is every chance this would have been a Merc 1-2.

[El Scorchio]

I rewatched the race and want to point out that Max had a 11.1 seconds pitstop and came behind Ricciardo with a 10.1 second disadvantage. Meaning, that to even fight Ricciardo at pit exit, Verstappen would have needed a 1 second pitstop. Impossible. Regardless of whether RBR had pulled of a good pitstop, the win would have been Daniels’, as it was clearly impossible for Max to get ahead and Daniel was faultless all weekend.

They truly won this race on merit. Don’t let the people who say McLaren won because of the collision fool you.

Completely agree. Without 'the incident' it's entirely possible it would still have been a McLaren 1-2 also, as Norris was out in second after the pit stops. However, my gut says that Verstappen and Hamilton may have concertina'd up behind Norris and it's possible all three could have been wiped out at turn 1 sooner or later, which would have been so unfair on Norris.

I disagree sadly.

Norris on the Meds was slower than Ham on the Hards. Ham would have been going at a blistering pace after his pit. If everyone had no accidents or penalties, There is every chance this would have been a Merc 1-2.

Thinking about it, you may well be right. Bottas was very fast for a couple of laps on fresh rubber so you may expect Hamilton to have been as well. However, it's clear the McLaren was also very quick (quick enough where it needed to be) and it was shown that getting past seems very difficult here now without a ridiculous speed/tyre advantage. Hamilton would have also been defending from Verstappen who as showed was ultra aggressive toward him whenever they were close which potentially would slow them right down, so it's possible Norris could have driven away from that squabble. I'm just glad he wasn't caught up in it!

[mclaren111]

I've been a McLaren Fan (and Williams) fan since '86 when the F1 first came to my then home town of Adelaide.
I'm allowed to have 2 favourite teams right, right? 🥷

Off Course... Williams also my 2nd... Always "Hated" Ferrari...

Now Merc, Toto & HAM...

[mclaren111]

I rewatched the race and want to point out that Max had a 11.1 seconds pitstop and came behind Ricciardo with a 10.1 second disadvantage. Meaning, that to even fight Ricciardo at pit exit, Verstappen would have needed a 1 second pitstop. Impossible. Regardless of whether RBR had pulled of a good pitstop, the win would have been Daniels’, as it was clearly impossible for Max to get ahead and Daniel was faultless all weekend.

They truly won this race on merit. Don’t let the people who say McLaren won because of the collision fool you.

100%

[mwillems]

Completely agree. Without 'the incident' it's entirely possible it would still have been a McLaren 1-2 also, as Norris was out in second after the pit stops. However, my gut says that Verstappen and Hamilton may have concertina'd up behind Norris and it's possible all three could have been wiped out at turn 1 sooner or later, which would have been so unfair on Norris.

I disagree sadly.

Norris on the Meds was slower than Ham on the Hards. Ham would have been going at a blistering pace after his pit. If everyone had no accidents or penalties, There is every chance this would have been a Merc 1-2.

Thinking about it, you may well be right. Bottas was very fast for a couple of laps on fresh rubber so you may expect Hamilton to have been as well. However, it's clear the McLaren was also very quick (quick enough where it needed to be) and it was shown that getting past seems very difficult here now without a ridiculous speed/tyre advantage. Hamilton would have also been defending from Verstappen who as showed was ultra aggressive toward him whenever they were close which potentially would slow them right down, so it's possible Norris could have driven away from that squabble. I'm just glad he wasn't caught up in it!

At the end of the day it's difficult to know what would have happened if Bottas had started 1st, but on face value we were at the least, the second fastest car here but whilst I'm not sure Merc would have got a 1-2, I am confident in my opinion that the Mercedes was the faster car and I do think that Bottas would have raced away at the front. But, at the very worst, I still think we were good for second, assuming that if Max were at the front that DR still took Max at the start.

[El Scorchio]

I disagree sadly.

Norris on the Meds was slower than Ham on the Hards. Ham would have been going at a blistering pace after his pit. If everyone had no accidents or penalties, There is every chance this would have been a Merc 1-2.

Thinking about it, you may well be right. Bottas was very fast for a couple of laps on fresh rubber so you may expect Hamilton to have been as well. However, it's clear the McLaren was also very quick (quick enough where it needed to be) and it was shown that getting past seems very difficult here now without a ridiculous speed/tyre advantage. Hamilton would have also been defending from Verstappen who as showed was ultra aggressive toward him whenever they were close which potentially would slow them right down, so it's possible Norris could have driven away from that squabble. I'm just glad he wasn't caught up in it!

At the end of the day it's difficult to know what would have happened if Bottas had started 1st, but on face value we were at the least, the second fastest car here but whilst I'm not sure Merc would have got a 1-2, I am confident in my opinion that the Mercedes was the faster car and I do think that Bottas would have raced away at the front. But, at the very worst, I still think we were good for second, assuming that if Max were at the front that DR still took Max at the start.

Definitely! I think provided Ricciardo if running second was able to have a few seconds on Norris, then I don't think Hamilton could have got them both from fourth, unless the tyres on the McLaren really degraded faster than the Merc in the second stint. It was really lovely to see both cars up the front on genuine pace.

[mwillems]

I've been a McLaren Fan (and Williams) fan since '86 when the F1 first came to my then home town of Adelaide.
I'm allowed to have 2 favourite teams right, right? 🥷

Off Course... Williams also my 2nd... Always "Hated" Ferrari...

Now Merc, Toto & HAM...

Was a Williams fan first from when Mansell won his championship in 92. A great driver surrounded by some of the greatest ever, shame for him he only got one. Turned to Mclaren not long after Sennas tragic accident. Around the time of Mika Häkkinen. And not because of David Coulthard, who sadly followed me from WIlliams to Mclaren. Obviously he knew my jumping ship was a sign.

[mwillems]

Thinking about it, you may well be right. Bottas was very fast for a couple of laps on fresh rubber so you may expect Hamilton to have been as well. However, it's clear the McLaren was also very quick (quick enough where it needed to be) and it was shown that getting past seems very difficult here now without a ridiculous speed/tyre advantage. Hamilton would have also been defending from Verstappen who as showed was ultra aggressive toward him whenever they were close which potentially would slow them right down, so it's possible Norris could have driven away from that squabble. I'm just glad he wasn't caught up in it!

At the end of the day it's difficult to know what would have happened if Bottas had started 1st, but on face value we were at the least, the second fastest car here but whilst I'm not sure Merc would have got a 1-2, I am confident in my opinion that the Mercedes was the faster car and I do think that Bottas would have raced away at the front. But, at the very worst, I still think we were good for second, assuming that if Max were at the front that DR still took Max at the start.

Definitely! I think provided Ricciardo if running second was able to have a few seconds on Norris, then I don't think Hamilton could have got them both from fourth, unless the tyres on the McLaren really degraded faster than the Merc in the second stint. It was really lovely to see both cars up the front on genuine pace.

But hey, none of it matters cos we won lol!

Every driver and team has there good and bad luck. Good drivers/teams take advantage, great drivers/teams make their own luck, or ride it somewhat.

Fingers crossed next years car makes the tracks that everyone else needs to follow and we are able to start making our own luck and riding out the bad days.

[diffuser]

I rewatched the race and want to point out that Max had a 11.1 seconds pitstop and came behind Ricciardo with a 10.1 second disadvantage. Meaning, that to even fight Ricciardo at pit exit, Verstappen would have needed a 1 second pitstop. Impossible. Regardless of whether RBR had pulled of a good pitstop, the win would have been Daniels’, as it was clearly impossible for Max to get ahead and Daniel was faultless all weekend.

They truly won this race on merit. Don’t let the people who say McLaren won because of the collision fool you.

Completely agree. Without 'the incident' it's entirely possible it would still have been a McLaren 1-2 also, as Norris was out in second after the pit stops. However, my gut says that Verstappen and Hamilton may have concertina'd up behind Norris and it's possible all three could have been wiped out at turn 1 sooner or later, which would have been so unfair on Norris.

Think the only car that would have been able to catch Ricciardo would have been Hamilton.

Hamilton had already past Norris on the track....With a proper pit stop he would have come out ahead both Max and Norris. Hamilton would also have been on New Mediums, a faster tire than Daniel's hards.