2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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McLaren drivers have been making mistakes under pressure, costing them valuable points, Piastri, in particular, seems less aware of his surroundings in high-pressure situations. In contrast, Verstappen demonstrates the qualities of a true champion. Based on current performance, I don’t see the same level of championship potential in either Piastri or Norris, which is why I believe Max is likely to come out on top this season, even from this from a deficit. Few more mistakes like this from Piastri and that's it.

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The positive thing is that papaya boys are starting to sh* their pants, the pressure is increasing. But it remains an extremely hard task, plus they have to improve the car for the main race, otherwise they're not going to beat McLaren.

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pantherxxx wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:25
McLaren drivers have been making mistakes under pressure, costing them valuable points, Piastri, in particular, seems less aware of his surroundings in high-pressure situations. In contrast, Verstappen demonstrates the qualities of a true champion. Based on current performance, I don’t see the same level of championship potential in either Piastri or Norris, which is why I believe Max is likely to come out on top this season, even from this from a deficit. Few more mistakes like this from Piastri and that's it.
Doesn't matter how good Max is if the car is not good enough. RedBull have improved the car a lot, esp. in qualy and the overall balance but on high deg/temp tracks the MCL is still clear. They ideally need another update that improves performance, cause at the current level it's just asking Max to the impossible. We'll see if they can solve the issues from the sprint, if they can, there is a bit more hope.

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euv2 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:38
pantherxxx wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:25
McLaren drivers have been making mistakes under pressure, costing them valuable points, Piastri, in particular, seems less aware of his surroundings in high-pressure situations. In contrast, Verstappen demonstrates the qualities of a true champion. Based on current performance, I don’t see the same level of championship potential in either Piastri or Norris, which is why I believe Max is likely to come out on top this season, even from this from a deficit. Few more mistakes like this from Piastri and that's it.
Doesn't matter how good Max is if the car is not good enough. RedBull have improved the car a lot, esp. in qualy and the overall balance but on high deg/temp tracks the MCL is still clear. They ideally need another update that improves performance, cause at the current level it's just asking Max to the impossible. We'll see if they can solve the issues from the sprint, if they can, there is a bit more hope.
Yeah good point thats the reality. I am quite worried about the lack of race pace. They have to find something to fight Mclaren for the whole race. Tomorrow its gonna be cooler though, about 3-4C...
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euv2 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:38
pantherxxx wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:25
McLaren drivers have been making mistakes under pressure, costing them valuable points, Piastri, in particular, seems less aware of his surroundings in high-pressure situations. In contrast, Verstappen demonstrates the qualities of a true champion. Based on current performance, I don’t see the same level of championship potential in either Piastri or Norris, which is why I believe Max is likely to come out on top this season, even from this from a deficit. Few more mistakes like this from Piastri and that's it.
Doesn't matter how good Max is if the car is not good enough. RedBull have improved the car a lot, esp. in qualy and the overall balance but on high deg/temp tracks the MCL is still clear. They ideally need another update that improves performance, cause at the current level it's just asking Max to the impossible. We'll see if they can solve the issues from the sprint, if they can, there is a bit more hope.
Yeah since Baku we haven't had a chance to see McLarens hand properly. Well said.
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Also, why wasn't Russell penalised for that dive bomb? It's reckless driving that end in a collsion if Max doesn't take avoiding action.

The stewards love to preach about the outcome/impact of the move having no bearing on the penalty but quietly ignore incidents like these precisely because there was no contact. Maybe there's wasn't enough uproar from everyone because it wasn't Max to warrant an investigation.

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Vettel165 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:42
Yeah good point thats the reality. I am quite worried about the lack of race pace. They have to find something to fight Mclaren for the whole race. Tomorrow its gonna be cooler though, about 3-4C...
Track temperatures probably won't be cooler than in the sprint (~45°C). Today's start was early in the day, and unlike tomorrow there were some clouds around. Should be more or less the same.

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euv2 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:48
Also, why wasn't Russell penalised for that dive bomb? It's reckless driving that end in a collsion if Max doesn't take avoiding action.

The stewards love to preach about the outcome/impact of the move having no bearing on the penalty but quietly ignore incidents like these precisely because there was no contact. Maybe there's wasn't enough uproar from everyone because it wasn't Max to warrant an investigation.
Croft enjoyed it. Tells you what you need to know. Also swap the roles and even this forum would have a meltdown for obvious reasons.
Call a spade, a spade.

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f1isgood wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:51
euv2 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:48
Also, why wasn't Russell penalised for that dive bomb? It's reckless driving that end in a collsion if Max doesn't take avoiding action.

The stewards love to preach about the outcome/impact of the move having no bearing on the penalty but quietly ignore incidents like these precisely because there was no contact. Maybe there's wasn't enough uproar from everyone because it wasn't Max to warrant an investigation.
Croft enjoyed it. Tells you what you need to know. Also swap the roles and even this forum would have a meltdown for obvious reasons.
Yeah, it's annoying and happens a lot. I've seen mostly seen praise from everyone, hard racing, Max does the same. Yeah, Max does it and gets called out or penalised and every loses their marbles regardless.

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Vettel165 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:12
Max gap to Lando now is 33 points, and 55 to Piastri.
I would be really happy to get P2 in the championship from here. I feel that is more attainable. Anything else is a bonus.
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AR3-GP wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 21:03
Vettel165 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:12
Max gap to Lando now is 33 points, and 55 to Piastri.
I would be really happy to get P2 in the championship from here. I feel that is more attainable. Anything else is a bonus.
If their self destruction continues anything is possible

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Vettel165 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:42
euv2 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:38
pantherxxx wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:25
McLaren drivers have been making mistakes under pressure, costing them valuable points, Piastri, in particular, seems less aware of his surroundings in high-pressure situations. In contrast, Verstappen demonstrates the qualities of a true champion. Based on current performance, I don’t see the same level of championship potential in either Piastri or Norris, which is why I believe Max is likely to come out on top this season, even from this from a deficit. Few more mistakes like this from Piastri and that's it.
Doesn't matter how good Max is if the car is not good enough. RedBull have improved the car a lot, esp. in qualy and the overall balance but on high deg/temp tracks the MCL is still clear. They ideally need another update that improves performance, cause at the current level it's just asking Max to the impossible. We'll see if they can solve the issues from the sprint, if they can, there is a bit more hope.

Yeah good point thats the reality. I am quite worried about the lack of race pace. They have to find something to fight Mclaren for the whole race. Tomorrow its gonna be cooler though, about 3-4C...
I agree I feel the same about race pace. All the current optimism post-sprint can be gone tomorrow evening if the Mclarens beat Verstappen. If the gap to Piastri goes up, thats it. WDC over.

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I remember last year the pace in the sprint was great but it only got worse after that so hope for something different.
The Mclaren pace last year in the race was also not spectacular btw and everybody expected otherwise.

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ME4ME wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 21:11
Vettel165 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:42
euv2 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 20:38

Doesn't matter how good Max is if the car is not good enough. RedBull have improved the car a lot, esp. in qualy and the overall balance but on high deg/temp tracks the MCL is still clear. They ideally need another update that improves performance, cause at the current level it's just asking Max to the impossible. We'll see if they can solve the issues from the sprint, if they can, there is a bit more hope.

Yeah good point thats the reality. I am quite worried about the lack of race pace. They have to find something to fight Mclaren for the whole race. Tomorrow its gonna be cooler though, about 3-4C...
I agree I feel the same about race pace. All the current optimism post-sprint can be gone tomorrow evening if the Mclarens beat Verstappen. If the gap to Piastri goes up, thats it. WDC over.
IMHO, you shouldn't have the WDC in mind, because 95% you'll get only disappointment. Just enjoy the races and papaya self-embarrassment, anything more is a bonus.

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Valeo wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 21:18
I remember last year the pace in the sprint was great but it only got worse after that so hope for something different.
The Mclaren pace last year in the race was also not spectacular btw and everybody expected otherwise.
Lando would have absolutely dominated had he led into T1.

He reeled Max in at a delta of 6 tenths a lap and while he had a 6 lap newer hard his pace was nuts.
Call a spade, a spade.