[ 2020 ] Scuderia Ferrari - Ferrari

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dans79 wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 00:19
PlatinumZealot wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 00:15
fritticaldi wrote:
08 Jul 2020, 16:51
The Ferrari is flawed in the following areas: Engine, Chassis and Aero. Basically the entire technical staff should get fired.
They made quite the machine in 2017 and 2018. That's a better strike rate than RedBull. Talented people. They just need a bit better management.
honestly, I think the team's biggest problem is they are always in a hurry to try and win. Sometimes you just have to accept that you're not going to win for a while and start over fresh.
Agreed, Ferrari should have nearly 100% focus on 2022 and maximum PU performance improvement. They must get their aero correlation spot on.

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At 0:58 of this video


It looks like Magnussen hits the rear of Vettel's car, could be a reason for it's poor handling. But still not the reason or an excuse for his crash and spin into Sainz.

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If Ferraris resurrection after a disastrous 2014 comes from “clever engineering” instead of real pace, they might start really overhaul their whole system instead of some chair swapping and this could take years... and how long does PMI want to wait? This isn’t finding a scapegoat and moving on.

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They put the wrong man at the wrong place when things were finally good. Binotto should have had a slap in the face by the big boys and stay at bay at tech, which is where he had his worth and where he needed and ferrari needed him to be. Instead, it became a d*ck slapping and swinging ego brawl and the only guy who managed Ferrari well in the past decades, Arrivabene, was dumped pretty badly and NOW they're picking up the fruits from what they did back THEN. And these fruits, they're rotten.
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Jolle wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 00:59
If Ferraris resurrection after a disastrous 2014 comes from “clever engineering” instead of real pace, they might start really overhaul their whole system instead of some chair swapping and this could take years... and how long does PMI want to wait? This isn’t finding a scapegoat and moving on.
Don't be under the illusion that the pace in F1 comes anywhere else other than "clever engineering". Sure, the basics must be made right, but the last few tenths pretty much always come from something "clever", like flexi wings, DAS etc.

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timbo wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 08:40
Jolle wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 00:59
If Ferraris resurrection after a disastrous 2014 comes from “clever engineering” instead of real pace, they might start really overhaul their whole system instead of some chair swapping and this could take years... and how long does PMI want to wait? This isn’t finding a scapegoat and moving on.
Don't be under the illusion that the pace in F1 comes anywhere else other than "clever engineering". Sure, the basics must be made right, but the last few tenths pretty much always come from something "clever", like flexi wings, DAS etc.
DAS, double diffuser, f-duct is clever engineering without the brackets. Loosing a second because they improved the way they measured the FF, is with brackets because it smells like plain old cheating.

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Does Seb have cracks painted on his helmet where the white prancing horse used to be? He seems utterly upset because he was broken up with. I don't think Ferrari have done themselves a service by deciding everything before the start of the season at all...
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6 of 12 wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 12:16
Does Seb have cracks painted on his helmet where the white prancing horse used to be? He seems utterly upset because he was broken up with. I don't think Ferrari have done themselves a service by deciding everything before the start of the season at all...
The reality is somewhat less-dramatic... but beautiful!


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Is Ferrari clearly leaving Sebastian out to dry? He is the only person in FP2 to not set his fastest time on the softs.... This is a very risky gamble as qualifying can be called off. Either Ferrari only using Seb's car as a setup mule then to give it LeClerc while LeClerc practices qualifying, or Sebastian insisted himself to focus more on race setup.... I doubt Sebastian doesn't recognise the risk of being that far down for the start of the race...

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TheFluffy wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 16:39
Is Ferrari clearly leaving Sebastian out to dry? He is the only person in FP2 to not set his fastest time on the softs.... This is a very risky gamble as qualifying can be called off. Either Ferrari only using Seb's car as a setup mule then to give it LeClerc while LeClerc practices qualifying, or Sebastian insisted himself to focus more on race setup.... I doubt Sebastian doesn't recognise the risk of being that far down for the start of the race...
He had 2 laps deleted for running outside track limits...not the team's fault (unless the car is broken)

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Macklaren wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 16:57
TheFluffy wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 16:39
Is Ferrari clearly leaving Sebastian out to dry? He is the only person in FP2 to not set his fastest time on the softs.... This is a very risky gamble as qualifying can be called off. Either Ferrari only using Seb's car as a setup mule then to give it LeClerc while LeClerc practices qualifying, or Sebastian insisted himself to focus more on race setup.... I doubt Sebastian doesn't recognise the risk of being that far down for the start of the race...
He had 2 laps deleted for running outside track limits...not the team's fault (unless the car is broken)
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believes the laps that were deleted were around 1:09s which points to race trim simulation (while also being on the medium tyres). Not a qualy sim. So is it a driver's fault for doing a race trim not a qualy trim?

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TheFluffy wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 17:04
Macklaren wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 16:57
TheFluffy wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 16:39
Is Ferrari clearly leaving Sebastian out to dry? He is the only person in FP2 to not set his fastest time on the softs.... This is a very risky gamble as qualifying can be called off. Either Ferrari only using Seb's car as a setup mule then to give it LeClerc while LeClerc practices qualifying, or Sebastian insisted himself to focus more on race setup.... I doubt Sebastian doesn't recognise the risk of being that far down for the start of the race...
He had 2 laps deleted for running outside track limits...not the team's fault (unless the car is broken)
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believes the laps that were deleted were around 1:09s which points to race trim simulation. Not a qualy sim. So is it a driver's fault for doing a race trim not a qualy trim?
Vettel did a 1:04.7 right before Leclerc. But that lap was deleted for track limits.

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LM10 wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 17:07
TheFluffy wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 17:04
Macklaren wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 16:57


He had 2 laps deleted for running outside track limits...not the team's fault (unless the car is broken)
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believes the laps that were deleted were around 1:09s which points to race trim simulation. Not a qualy sim. So is it a driver's fault for doing a race trim not a qualy trim?
Vettel did a 1:04.7 right before Leclerc. But that lap was deleted for track limits.
Ok my bad. I only started following FP2 towards the end, so yea. But if that is the case, then it shows Ferrari will still have a very very tough weekend despite the upgrades.

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vett ... =widget-22

Very positive Vettel about these updates.

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Mr. Fahrenheit wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 12:51
6 of 12 wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 12:16
Does Seb have cracks painted on his helmet where the white prancing horse used to be? He seems utterly upset because he was broken up with. I don't think Ferrari have done themselves a service by deciding everything before the start of the season at all...
The reality is somewhat less-dramatic... but beautiful!

Ah, yeah, thanks! Just after I posted, they explained it on sky. Thanks, still!
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