2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[bluechris]

They made the car easier to drive (for Lewis) with the new suspension but it’s actually slower it seems.
Charles struggling in Baku and Singapore is very telling…
They made the car slower with the update. Now, even Charles is struggling. The focus should not be to make Lewis more comfortable, the focus should be to make the car faster.
Looking at the result recently, what they achieved instead is develope the car in a direction to bring both drivers closer together. Unfortunately they brought the faster driver down to the level of the slower one instead of the other way round
Hamilton is in a better mood now... but the results...

There's pressure from the team for the drivers to lie about the true situation they're in. We know from AR that the driver's opinions on the car differed compared to what they said to the press. Pre-summer it was Leclerc telling us the potential of the car was there even when it wasn't.

No matter which driver says the car is fine, it doesn't make it true. The car has been mediocre all season and now it's even worse. Maybe the suspension made things worse but Red Bull and Mercedes brought true upgrades while Ferrari didn't. That's where most of the gap comes from.

Another thing Leclerc is speaking from the perspective of someone who got podiums before, Hamilton is coming from a different situation. Leclerc is pessimistic because he's comparing their results to pre-summer but the change from then to now isn't because of the suspension.

The only reason Mercedes did shine this weekend was low temps as always with them. This will not be the case in the upcoming races and Ferrari will be upon them again.

[j_ste]

Taking a positive, Lewis seems to be much more comfortable with this car the last couple of races. Really close to Charles.

Just a shame the car isn't up there with the other top teams.

They made the car easier to drive (for Lewis) with the new suspension but it’s actually slower it seems.
Charles struggling in Baku and Singapore is very telling…
They made the car slower with the update. Now, even Charles is struggling. The focus should not be to make Lewis more comfortable, the focus should be to make the car faster.
Looking at the result recently, what they achieved instead is develope the car in a direction to bring both drivers closer together. Unfortunately they brought the faster driver down to the level of the slower one instead of the other way round
Hamilton is in a better mood now... but the results...

Yeah, that’s Lewis. No interest in winning, just comfort…

Good Lord.

Every car gets faster through the season. The Ferrari wasn’t close to winning and they tried to Improve on that by expanding its working range…they failed. Neither driver is happy. They want to compete for victories.

[venkyhere]

Yeah, that’s Lewis. No interest in winning, just comfort…

Good Lord.

Every car gets faster through the season.

Really ? what about SF25 ?

The Ferrari wasn’t close to winning and they tried to Improve on that by expanding its working range…they failed. Neither driver is happy. They want to compete for victories.

how many years have we idiots been putting up with this excuse ?
In 2019, even if illegal, they tried something. The last time this team actually fought at the front, was in the first half of 2022, but then, reliabiiity issues, driver error and most of all the infamous 'weekly clown shows' with the race operations strategy, ensured that 2022 disappeared as well (it was so easy to blame the TD39 but we all know how that wasn't the only reason).

There is so much bubble wrapping going on, around their engineering failure, with words like "potential" , "extract the maximum" , "speed is there, we went in different direction with setup unfortunately" etc etc every weekend, thereby indirectly implying that the drivers are not upto the mark ; Ferrari leadership should just rip the bandaid off and openly tell the media - "we failed with the basic concept of the SF25, we took the SF24 and ruined it".
THat will relieve a lot of pressure from the drivers, the engineers, the PR team, Fred himself, Elkkaan himself etc. The italian media will roast them for a week and then taper off. THat's so much better than this struggle to face the media without revealing anything or hurting anyone - it's like a person suffering from constipation and being too shy to ask for the medicine.

[PlatinumZealot]

They made the car easier to drive (for Lewis) with the new suspension but it’s actually slower it seems.
Charles struggling in Baku and Singapore is very telling…
They made the car slower with the update. Now, even Charles is struggling. The focus should not be to make Lewis more comfortable, the focus should be to make the car faster.
Looking at the result recently, what they achieved instead is develope the car in a direction to bring both drivers closer together. Unfortunately they brought the faster driver down to the level of the slower one instead of the other way round
Hamilton is in a better mood now... but the results...

There's pressure from the team for the drivers to lie about the true situation they're in. We know from AR that the driver's opinions on the car differed compared to what they said to the press. Pre-summer it was Leclerc telling us the potential of the car was there even when it wasn't.

No matter which driver says the car is fine, it doesn't make it true. The car has been mediocre all season and now it's even worse. Maybe the suspension made things worse but Red Bull and Mercedes brought true upgrades while Ferrari didn't. That's where most of the gap comes from.

Another thing Leclerc is speaking from the perspective of someone who got podiums before, Hamilton is coming from a different situation. Leclerc is pessimistic because he's comparing their results to pre-summer but the change from then to now isn't because of the suspension.

The only reason Mercedes did shine this weekend was low temps as always with them. This will not be the case in the upcoming races and Ferrari will be upon them again.

Not sure if you watched the race but temperature in Singapore were not low. Leclerc confirmed that Mercedes has found something and is now also quick in hot conditions.

[jurinius]

The funning thing behind all this, now even my dog knows when they are going to protect Leclerc from Hamilton. It 's a pitty to be honest and they should stop it. I asked again what was the GAP btween Lewis and Antonelli before they made that softs call ?

0 anticipation, 0 risk from his side of the garage but eager to protect Charles, like they got a sparring partner for him. Yeah "They made the car easier to drive (for Lewis) with the new suspension..." like someone force Leclerc to take those upgrades after all his wins

[ScuderiaLeo]

I didn't expect this thread to become Hamilton and Leclerc fans fighting right after the race, since the car was the biggest problem and the drivers did well. But I guess I was expecting too much from people.

We need to have our weekly dose of "Ferrari is favoring this driver" conspiracy theories because clearly there's nothing else to discuss right?

[ScuderiaLeo]

The only reason Mercedes did shine this weekend was low temps as always with them. This will not be the case in the upcoming races and Ferrari will be upon them again.

Even if that is true (I don't know what the temperature was today), at least Mercedes has tracks and conditions where they can compete for wins.

There is no track type that Ferrari excels in.

[F1NAC]

5sec penalty for ham, didnt seem like he cared much cause they didnt even fight it

Did you watch onboard of Lewis? Second to last lap? He cut almost every corner. Like a mario kart stuff.

What would they say? That the car lost the brakes? That would probably get them into worse.


This car is a truck and a proper one. 1991 car was a rocket ship to this one.

[Macklaren]

The only reason Mercedes did shine this weekend was low temps as always with them. This will not be the case in the upcoming races and Ferrari will be upon them again.

Even if that is true (I don't know what the temperature was today), at least Mercedes has tracks and conditions where they can compete for wins.

There is no track type that Ferrari excels in.

NOR said after qualifying that it appears Merc and RBR this season have been excellent at front limited tracks rather than a temperature sensitivity. I'm not sure they suddenly found something (unlike RBR that has been continuously upgrading and indeed looks to have found something}

[deadhead]

This car is a truck and a proper one. 1991 car was a rocket ship to this one.

Word

[gshevlin]

Ferrari's leadership is not good at processing bad news. In 1991, they reacted to criticism of the car by Alain Prost by dismissing him, only to have him win an arbitration case against them.
In 1992, Ivan Capelli drove the 1991 car, then the 1992 car, and told Ferrari that the 1992 car was worse than the 1991 car, while Jean Alesi told Ferrari how good the car was. The team ignored Capelli's input and spent the whole season tinkering with the car, to no real effect.
The tuning-out of drivers ended with the Schumacher era, where the team listened to and acted on Schumacher's input. The results speak for themselves.
Since the end of the Schumacher era, Ferrari has slipped back into its historical pattern of average to mediocre performance, with drivers spending their best years at the team, but without acheiving any breakthrough. Ferrari hired Alonso and Vettel, winners of championships, and failed to win a championship with either of them. That is a pretty consistent level of under-achievement. Team Principals have come and gone, but the fundamental level of underperformance remains.
Now they hire a driver who may be the GOAT, but they give the impression that they regarded his feedback as ignorable. The attempt to make the car more driveable may have made it slightly slower, but Racing Bulls has a car which is far easier to drive than the Red Bull, and sometimes as fast as Red Bull.
I think Ferrari is lost in the last year of the regulations, but with one notable exception, their history tells me that listening to drivers does not seem to be a priority.

[DJ Downforce]

As a Ham fan, I think my excitement of him joining Ferrari has stopped me making harsh judgements. But now that he seems on the pace of Lec in some races I think I feel more comfortable saying this.

What a shocking season, what a shocking car, what a shocking collapse after last year. Ending 0.3s off McLaren, to being about 0.8 behind them now in both qualifying and the race. A car so bad, not lifting and coasting literally cooks the brakes to the point of spontaneous combustion.

How, just how did this happen. How did they design a car with such a major flaw, one that surely comes under the basic principles of open wheel car design. One, where the solution to tyre warmup issues is just to close off the brake ducts.

What happened, how did this happen. I am honestly in disbelief into how such a technical calamity could happen. Only Ferrari, ONLY FERRARI could and would make an error this big. When is the last time we saw a car with such fundamental limitations from a top 3 team?? A car with no real strengths. Even the w13 excelled at some tracks, and that car had TINY SIDEPODS!!!!

Rant over. I think it's taken months for me to process this

[deadhead]

It’s really sad watching Hamilton fans slowly finding out what it means to be a Ferrari driver.

ALO, VET, and LEC (longest of them all) all had to endure this.

Welcome aboard!

[ScuderiaLeo]

I wonder if the temperature imbalance Leclerc had in this race was the same thing as Bahrain 2024?



Almost 2 minutes long

[Chuckjr]

It’s really sad watching Hamilton fans slowly finding out what it means to be a Ferrari driver.

ALO, VET, and LEC (longest of them all) all had to endure this.

Welcome aboard!

True that.

The feel I have with this situation is it seems Fred and Elkann wanted Lewis. Elcann for the media and money and Fred wanted an old friend. But the team members who actually do the work? Nah. They wanted CS to stay. And now it’s coming out. Media and money don’t benefit any racing effort ever (bad leadership) and the job is over Fred’s head (incompetence) as I’ve said since the beginning. It’s all coming out now and it’s not going to get better. 2026 fixes nothing. It’s just another year of the same lame trajectories. Nothing will change.