2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[euv2]

Further confirmation of an upgrade, I just hope it's in Mexico. We need every bit of added performance we can get. Max will not participate in FP1, so a bit less learning.
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Stella seemed very confident in MCLs pace on Ted's notebook, saying they haven't optimised things in the last 4 races but they have some good learnings that should see them perform much better in the final races. He also reiterated that they left some margin on certain parameters due to lack of running and Lando's pace would have been still good enough to trouble Max without Leclerc.

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I could imagine it being something small like a floor edge iteration

[Sergej]

How are the McLarens engine wise ? will they make it to the end without penalties ? I think we should be ok on that side (for once )

[f1isgood]

Further confirmation of an upgrade, I just hope it's in Mexico. We need every bit of added performance we can get. Max will not participate in FP1, so a bit less learning.
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Stella seemed very confident in MCLs pace on Ted's notebook, saying they haven't optimised things in the last 4 races but they have some good learnings that should see them perform much better in the final races. He also reiterated that they left some margin on certain parameters due to lack of running and Lando's pace would have been still good enough to trouble Max without Leclerc.

It's not surprising entirely. There's every reason to believe that Max wins every race in the Orange cars. I don't think there's anyone else who can maximize results like he does. So it's not entirely surprising.

I think WDC is still very very hard. Need to bank too much on McLaren drivers to bottle and I think Lando will win a race

[euv2]

It's not surprising entirely. There's every reason to believe that Max wins every race in the Orange cars. I don't think there's anyone else who can maximize results like he does. So it's not entirely surprising.

I think WDC is still very very hard. Need to bank too much on McLaren drivers to bottle and I think Lando will win a race

Yeah, I'm very confident that Lando is now the biggest threat. The only track PIA could win a race is Qatar, Lando should get the better of him everywhere else, not taking into account any bottles of course.

I will say though Mexico could potentially be tricky for the MCL in qualy, if they qualify on the 2nd row or lower, they might find it hard to come through quick, I'm expecting Mercedes to be quick, Ferrari is a coin toss. Piastri's record here is not great, had a stinker last year.

[Sergej]

I've done some maths, just for the sake of fun.

If Max wins all sprints and races except one in which comes second, and Lando is always second except one GP win, Lando is champion by 3 points. So for Max to win the title, Lando should come 3 or lower in at least one race, which could be for example Vegas.

I don't think that Lando coming third in one race is more unlikely than Max's task to win at least 4 races, which anyway is a must for remaining in the fight, and the most difficult part of the mission.

[langedweil]

Without weird stuff like PU failures or otherwise DNFs, and full focus on PIA (instead of Nor), it's still a mountain to climb .. and this even takes an PIA win into account.
Aside from all that, me (and more ppl) tend to believe currently Nor is performing stronger than Pia .. plus no one can rule out the occasional Mer/Fer podium. So waaaay too many variables at the moment.

Mexico City GP
• Verstappen 25 pts (331)
• Piastri 18 pts (364)
• Norris 15 pts (347)

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Brazil Sprint
• Verstappen 8 pts (339)
• Norris 7 pts (354)
• Piastri 6 pts (370)

Brazil GP
• Verstappen 25 pts (364)
• Piastri 18 pts (388)
• Norris 15 pts (369)

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Qatar Sprint
• Verstappen 8 pts (372)
• Piastri 7 pts (395)
• Norris 6 pts (375)

Qatar GP
• Verstappen 25 pts (397)
• Norris 18 pts (393)
• Piastri 15 pts (410)

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Las Vegas GP
• Piastri 25 pts (435)
• Verstappen 18 pts (415)
• Norris 15 pts (408)

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Abu Dhabi GP (Finale)
• Verstappen 25 pts (440)
• Piastri 18 pts (439)
• Norris 15 pts (424)

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Final Standings

Verstappen – 440 pts (+1)
Piastri – 439 pts
Norris – 424 pts

[f1isgood]

It's not surprising entirely. There's every reason to believe that Max wins every race in the Orange cars. I don't think there's anyone else who can maximize results like he does. So it's not entirely surprising.

I think WDC is still very very hard. Need to bank too much on McLaren drivers to bottle and I think Lando will win a race

Yeah, I'm very confident that Lando is now the biggest threat. The only track PIA could win a race is Qatar, Lando should get the better of him everywhere else, not taking into account any bottles of course.

I will say though Mexico could potentially be tricky for the MCL in qualy, if they qualify on the 2nd row or lower, they might find it hard to come through quick, I'm expecting Mercedes to be quick, Ferrari is a coin toss. Piastri's record here is not great, had a stinker last year.

Yeah I agree.

[Sergej]

Without weird stuff like PU failures or otherwise DNFs, and full focus on PIA (instead of Nor), it's still a mountain to climb .. and this even takes an PIA win into account.
Aside from all that, me (and more ppl) tend to believe currently Nor is performing stronger than Pia .. plus no one can rule out the occasional Mer/Fer podium. So waaaay too many variables at the moment.

Mexico City GP
• Verstappen 25 pts (331)
• Piastri 18 pts (364)
• Norris 15 pts (347)

⸻

Brazil Sprint
• Verstappen 8 pts (339)
• Norris 7 pts (354)
• Piastri 6 pts (370)

Brazil GP
• Verstappen 25 pts (364)
• Piastri 18 pts (388)
• Norris 15 pts (369)

⸻

Qatar Sprint
• Verstappen 8 pts (372)
• Piastri 7 pts (395)
• Norris 6 pts (375)

Qatar GP
• Verstappen 25 pts (397)
• Norris 18 pts (393)
• Piastri 15 pts (410)

⸻

Las Vegas GP
• Piastri 25 pts (435)
• Verstappen 18 pts (415)
• Norris 15 pts (408)

⸻

Abu Dhabi GP (Finale)
• Verstappen 25 pts (440)
• Piastri 18 pts (439)
• Norris 15 pts (424)

⸻

Final Standings

Verstappen – 440 pts (+1)
Piastri – 439 pts
Norris – 424 pts

Something doesn't add up in Piastri and Norris Abu Dhabi points Piastri should be 435+18=453

[langedweil]

Without weird stuff like PU failures or otherwise DNFs, and full focus on PIA (instead of Nor), it's still a mountain to climb .. and this even takes an PIA win into account.
Aside from all that, me (and more ppl) tend to believe currently Nor is performing stronger than Pia .. plus no one can rule out the occasional Mer/Fer podium. So waaaay too many variables at the moment.

Something doesn't add up in Piastri and Norris Abu Dhabi points Piastri should be 435+18=453

Hmm, chatgpt isnt great at calculating.
Did check a few iterations, but likely not this one.
Well, 8th in Brazil then instead of 2nd
Give Lando 3 pts extra

Point is, too many variables still

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[Sergej]

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and in 2019 he fuc*ed himself in the press conference, otherwise could have been a clean sheet

this year seems the perfect opportunity to break this tradition

[Farnborough]

https://i.postimg.cc/L4VKLrjj/image.png

and in 2019 he fuc*ed himself in the press conference, otherwise could have been a clean sheet

this year seems the perfect opportunity to break this tradition

That was funny though .... the "did it look like it" comment in response to lifting when going past VB in the barrier

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Personally I think the upgrade will come at Vegas or later. You would expect Marko would know if it can be done in time for Mexico

[Farnborough]

There is never ending obsession about the EXISTENCE of "ugrades" out in journalism land, also on here.

Marko does use this in psychological output, I believe, too.

Until proven they mean nothing really. Ideally there'd be a particular area of performance that had defined defecit, and clearly developed solution. But they also have downside risk, as we've seen in so many teams application over this rules set.

The wing and floor iteration since Monza have definitely put this car fully back on the table in competitive terms. Particularly with Max ability to extract so much from it, even if it wasn't purely as fast as McL chassis.

Uncommented though, is the shear determination of the operational team here at RB in a whole team "synapse" response to that aero/chassis competence etc. In hand to hand combat, they really are formidable and very streetwise it must be said.
They appear to have evolved their initial first laps running status, response and evaluation into even more of a sharply focused existence, this to capitalise fully on Max acute feedback and interpretation.

That element being highly evolved and crucially fluid in bringing these current high level of performance.