2023 Aston Martin | Aramco | Cognizant F1 Team

[Alo_Fan]

So Ive found Alonso's over the top praise for Lance a bit strange and also how everyone walks on egg shells around his mistakes. So started looking around and I found out that Lawrence Stroll allegedly blocked Lando and Russell from getting Prema seats in F2 because he didn't want Lance to be outshone by other drivers of similar age like Leclerc did. Russell went as far as to openly accuse Prema of manufacturing a title for Lance via team orders. And many teams left F3 that year because Prema was getting specialized parts made by Williams making them virtually untouchable.

https://www.racefans.net/2016/11/03/wil ... s-opinion/

Then came Lawrence's interview on Sky post race, which seems innocuous enough, but his answer to a question about Alonso struck me as a bit strange. Maybe its my inner poker player, but Stroll instead of being directly complimentary of Alonso, pivoted to talking about their relationship and how Fernando believed in his vision, which tells me Stroll wants to win championships but mainly for his son. Its obvious that the Strolls are extremely sensitive about Lance's status as a driver and have no qualms about being petty.

Alonso anyway attracts a alot of limelight and if their success ever got to contention level, Id be nervous for him as to how the Strolls take it. No wonder Nando is taking every opportunity to shine some light at Lance but I wonder how long he can keep it up or Stroll Sr. gets angsty.

I agree with you, I felt the same with his interview. He first mentioned about how proud he was of Lance, and didn't say anything about the podium or Fernando. I'm actually nervous this will backfire down the road and if there really is a championship at stake, he'll put all the eggs in the Lance basket.

[Mansell89]

Thankfully, Fernando is so far ahead of Stroll in ability that it shouldn’t matter. In a close fight it could cause chaos but let’s be clear, Alonso is levels above and over a 22 race season that will show.

I have noticed it- and it might be Astons biggest weakness in terms of eventual aims of being a WCC- that they cannot acknowledge Lances shortcomings.

But let’s see- for now, the only sim should be enhancing what appears to be a great base car- and then see where it takes them.

[diffuser]

Thankfully, Fernando is so far ahead of Stroll in ability that it shouldn’t matter. In a close fight it could cause chaos but let’s be clear, Alonso is levels above and over a 22 race season that will show.

I have noticed it- and it might be Astons biggest weakness in terms of eventual aims of being a WCC- that they cannot acknowledge Lances shortcomings.

But let’s see- for now, the only sim should be enhancing what appears to be a great base car- and then see where it takes them.

Let's not go looking for problems. Let's cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

[max_speed]

So Ive found Alonso's over the top praise for Lance a bit strange and also how everyone walks on egg shells around his mistakes. So started looking around and I found out that Lawrence Stroll allegedly blocked Lando and Russell from getting Prema seats in F2 because he didn't want Lance to be outshone by other drivers of similar age like Leclerc did. Russell went as far as to openly accuse Prema of manufacturing a title for Lance via team orders. And many teams left F3 that year because Prema was getting specialized parts made by Williams making them virtually untouchable.

https://www.racefans.net/2016/11/03/wil ... s-opinion/

Then came Lawrence's interview on Sky post race, which seems innocuous enough, but his answer to a question about Alonso struck me as a bit strange. Maybe its my inner poker player, but Stroll instead of being directly complimentary of Alonso, pivoted to talking about their relationship and how Fernando believed in his vision, which tells me Stroll wants to win championships but mainly for his son. Its obvious that the Strolls are extremely sensitive about Lance's status as a driver and have no qualms about being petty.

Alonso anyway attracts a alot of limelight and if their success ever got to contention level, Id be nervous for him as to how the Strolls take it. No wonder Nando is taking every opportunity to shine some light at Lance but I wonder how long he can keep it up or Stroll Sr. gets angsty.

I agree with you, I felt the same with his interview. He first mentioned about how proud he was of Lance, and didn't say anything about the podium or Fernando. I'm actually nervous this will backfire down the road and if there really is a championship at stake, he'll put all the eggs in the Lance basket.

I do see value in points being made but winning championship is not easy even if you have a awesome car. If stroll jr has potential , he will have to earn it on track and if stroll sr is good businessman then he should win championship with alonso and improve aston brand. Stroll is decent but with due respect not championship winning material atm.

Also dan follows and other engineers have gone there to win championships not worship stroll pair, if culture goes bad trust they will be quick to jump ship and many takers will be there for them.

[Alo_Fan]

So Ive found Alonso's over the top praise for Lance a bit strange and also how everyone walks on egg shells around his mistakes. So started looking around and I found out that Lawrence Stroll allegedly blocked Lando and Russell from getting Prema seats in F2 because he didn't want Lance to be outshone by other drivers of similar age like Leclerc did. Russell went as far as to openly accuse Prema of manufacturing a title for Lance via team orders. And many teams left F3 that year because Prema was getting specialized parts made by Williams making them virtually untouchable.

https://www.racefans.net/2016/11/03/wil ... s-opinion/

Then came Lawrence's interview on Sky post race, which seems innocuous enough, but his answer to a question about Alonso struck me as a bit strange. Maybe its my inner poker player, but Stroll instead of being directly complimentary of Alonso, pivoted to talking about their relationship and how Fernando believed in his vision, which tells me Stroll wants to win championships but mainly for his son. Its obvious that the Strolls are extremely sensitive about Lance's status as a driver and have no qualms about being petty.

Alonso anyway attracts a alot of limelight and if their success ever got to contention level, Id be nervous for him as to how the Strolls take it. No wonder Nando is taking every opportunity to shine some light at Lance but I wonder how long he can keep it up or Stroll Sr. gets angsty.

I agree with you, I felt the same with his interview. He first mentioned about how proud he was of Lance, and didn't say anything about the podium or Fernando. I'm actually nervous this will backfire down the road and if there really is a championship at stake, he'll put all the eggs in the Lance basket.

I do see value in points being made but winning championship is not easy even if you have a awesome car. If stroll jr has potential , he will have to earn it on track and if stroll sr is good businessman then he should win championship with alonso and improve aston brand. Stroll is decent but with due respect not championship winning material atm.

Also dan follows and other engineers have gone there to win championships not worship stroll pair, if culture goes bad trust they will be quick to jump ship and many takers will be there for them.

That's a good point regarding the staff, I highly doubt any of the staff would tolerate weakening Alonso's chances to favour Stroll. Especially, if Fernando builds some rapport with them and keeps out performing Stroll.

[ringo]

While I can't be sure, I assumed Alonso was bringing the tires in gently. AM knew they had tire advantage over everyone in front and realistically, they were always going to beat Mercs and Sainz.

I'm also factoring in that Stroll came back from a terrible injury and no testing time, so I expected Fernando to be further ahead than he was.

I agree, the first stint looked odd. Stroll was catching him up, before he got onto the back of Russell.

I also expect a bigger gap to stroll in the future. Alonso was a lot quicker as expected in the final stint even as he was avoiding the kerbs, while Stroll was having to push to keep Russell behind (although given the car, that wasn't very difficult).

https://i.postimg.cc/QNwWc9SR/image.png

Why are people puzzled that Stroll has pace?
I keep saying he will suprise many. Alonso is old. As exciting and tactical as hia driving is, the younger guys will have a endurance advantage.
Stroll is not 100% yet and had a respectable showing. He may not beat Alonso with tactics, but i suspect some fireworks when it comes to raw pace and who has to step aside because one is faster than the other in races ahead.

The AMR seems rudimentary as it relates to steering feel and its good Alonso brings that quality experience to let the team know where they can improve some low hanging fruits outside of the aero. Stroll will also benefit from learning from Alonso. He is lucky to have two great champion teammates.

[ringo]

Thankfully, Fernando is so far ahead of Stroll in ability that it shouldn’t matter. In a close fight it could cause chaos but let’s be clear, Alonso is levels above and over a 22 race season that will show.

I have noticed it- and it might be Astons biggest weakness in terms of eventual aims of being a WCC- that they cannot acknowledge Lances shortcomings.

But let’s see- for now, the only sim should be enhancing what appears to be a great base car- and then see where it takes them.

Let's not go looking for problems. Let's cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

For shortcomings you just make a faster car to make anyone a champion.
Brawn 2009 could have Barichello or Button as champion. Those two were almost journeymen at the time but the car was so much faster it didnt matter how good or bad they were relative to the feild. It only matter amongst themselves.

[NAPI10]

Yeah, saw that interview. I’m telling you now, it will end in tears. Alonso will get his five minutes of limelight this year, many podiums and the odd win, but once he realises championships aren’t on the cards, it will soon boil over. I’d even go as far as saying if he’s embarrassing Lance on track, Lawrence will orchestrate something behind the scenes to irk Alonso, and probably get rid of him. All sounds laughable, but it’s what happens when protecting a family member. Lawrence is ruthless, and the fireworks between him and Alonso down the line will be very entertaining.

As for right now, you can tell everyone is on best behaviour. Everything about Alonso towards the Strolls is utter cringe. Every word, or action is so carefully orchestrated right now, just for effect. Someone posted on here, there’s nothing spontaneous about Alonso right now, it’s all forced, or rehearsed. He won’t be able to keep this Stroll love in going for long, and it will eventually blow up. Seen it all before.

From where ppl bring these bullshit inferences……what’s the point in demonizing someone every step of the way. When car was not performing last year…blame on Lawrence for interfering with technical team. When car started showing some potential…blame him for plotting against Alonso.
He is responsible for the rise of this team otherwise greedy bankers would have swallowed this outfit. He is motivated to support his son in every possible way just like any father would.
Alonso is not going to hold back if team tries to fiddle with his performance. Look at the share prise of Aston Martin after team’s performance in Bahrain. Alonso is invaluable for this team.
Lawrence might have started this endeavour for his son but he is a shrewd businessman first; that’s how he built all the wealth.

[continuum16]

Every time I hear about how Lawrence Stroll did this and that and interferes with the team I remember that this team very easily could have been bought by Mazepin instead; in which case by now it would have maybe even shut down due to the sanctions of 2022 etc.

It’s all relative and as long as Fernando can get a podium every few races and Lance gets a couple across the season then this won’t blow up this year.

[AR3-GP]

All of this worry is presumptuous. Lance hasn't beaten teammates who are 75% as good as Alonso in years.


The start to this season reminds me of when Alonso came back from his couch to race in 2021 with Renault and had to adjust to the car in the first couple of GPs, and still left his teammate behind in that same season. We know 2022 was full of disproportionate unreliability while Alonso had highs that his teammate couldn't dream of.

The only real worry is if age gets to Alonso, but at that point he's not going to beat the Verstappens and Leclercs of the world, nevermind Stroll.

[Juzh]

In case you're wondering what alonso meant by being on "level 7", it regards his current amount of tyre saving. 10 highest, 0 is no tyre saving. When he was behind hamilton in second stint he was at level 10 at times, then when tried to do an overcut he was on level 0.
That said if alonso's highest is 10 then by the looks of things verstappen's was 20 in this race. So alonso was actually pushing a lot more than Ver up front, even when he "wasn't".

[ringo]

Why is Helmut Marko saying the AMR23 is a copy of redbull? They really dont look that much alike. I think the other cars are more redbull copies than the Aston.

[max_speed]

I'm also factoring in that Stroll came back from a terrible injury and no testing time, so I expected Fernando to be further ahead than he was.

I agree, the first stint looked odd. Stroll was catching him up, before he got onto the back of Russell.

I also expect a bigger gap to stroll in the future. Alonso was a lot quicker as expected in the final stint even as he was avoiding the kerbs, while Stroll was having to push to keep Russell behind (although given the car, that wasn't very difficult).

https://i.postimg.cc/QNwWc9SR/image.png

Why are people puzzled that Stroll has pace?
I keep saying he will suprise many. Alonso is old. As exciting and tactical as hia driving is, the younger guys will have a endurance advantage.
Stroll is not 100% yet and had a respectable showing. He may not beat Alonso with tactics, but i suspect some fireworks when it comes to raw pace and who has to step aside because one is faster than the other in races ahead.

The AMR seems rudimentary as it relates to steering feel and its good Alonso brings that quality experience to let the team know where they can improve some low hanging fruits outside of the aero. Stroll will also benefit from learning from Alonso. He is lucky to have two great champion teammates.

How old is alonso, we all got a proof of it by the way he overtook hamilton and others.

[Zynerji]

With the development offset, budget cap, and WDC class driver, AM could be the new Brawn. It depends on the first updates at this point. If AMR bring .4s more than RBR, it's on.

[NAPI10]

Why is Helmut Marko saying the AMR23 is a copy of redbull? They really dont look that much alike. I think the other cars are more redbull copies than the Aston.

When rivals starts complaining consider you are on a right track