2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Emag wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 12:19
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 11:57
It's disheartening if they did abandon the material solutions. Last summer Autoracer reported Vasseur was focusing heavily on recruiting for that department and it was somewhere where Ferrari were optimistic they could make gains. I even remember posting the article here. And they said material solutions were an area they (Autoracer team) thought Ferrari was lagging behind compared to McLaren, and innovating there would be important to keep up.

The stuff about the engine seems like a reach however at least looking at Mercedes. How would engineers from Ferrari or Alpine know what Mercedes's PU is like?

Either way hopefully bringing in new people will also provide fresh perspectives for Ferrari's existing issues.
Something I’d like to add here, intra-paddock rumors are often quite accurate when it comes to these things. I don’t know exactly how details manage to leak out, but they do, and these rumors usually don’t come from nowhere. We had the same kind of “warning” before 2014 that Mercedes would have a really strong power unit. But we didn’t know how strong. Bahrain 2014 came along and we learned their advantage was massive, probably far beyond what anyone had anticipated. Let’s just hope that’s not the case this time.
Racingnews wrote an article two months ago about a certain team deliberately spreading false rumors in the paddock about Ferrari being well behind in development to stop engineers joining

https://racingnews365.com/surprise-ferr ... power-play
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Chuckjr wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 09:50
catent wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 04:23
I have no clue the quality/validity of this reporting, so take it with a large heaping of salt.

https://www.formula1.it/news/27735/1/fe ... -arrivati-

English translation: https://www-formula1-it.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp
Here's the article in English (google translate)

For Ferrari, the weeks between late summer and early autumn were characterized by a revolving door atmosphere. Much ado was sparked by Wolf Zimmermann Lars Schmidt's departure from Audi, which, at a crucial time for the development of the 2026 power units, created a void in the Prancing Horse's engine department. While from the outside, the situation appeared fluid on the eve of the introduction of the new regulations, which will bring enormous changes to both aerodynamics and engines, Maranello quickly denials and professed calm, maintaining that the department headed by Enrico Gualtieri (who now has full power following the departure of two key collaborators) is working at full speed and with maximum concentration on the new power unit.

Experiments on... materials
According to our sources, the Scuderia had wanted to experiment with innovative material solutions on a PU since last May, such as a steel cylinder head. This idea was abandoned (no one knows when) in favor of traditional solutions made from additive-treated aluminum, to achieve levels of reliability and power that, given the temperatures and pressures involved, the original solution could not guarantee. For this reason, bench tests (to determine the reliability needed to ensure the unit's longevity, allowing the season to be run with the units permitted by the FIA) are in full swing. But, despite what other sources have reported, it's unknown under what conditions the pre-established targets were achieved, and whether they can be reassuring or not. Furthermore, in addition to reliability, Enrico Gualtieri's engineers will also have to determine the power needed to make the power unit at least competitive. And, according to information we have, the situation in this regard doesn't look too rosy: the Prancing Horse, at least at the start of the year, will most likely lag behind Mercedes, whose unit is widely tipped as the one that will set the bar. As they say, Vox populi…

Former rivals in the lead
And the people, or a portion of them, have given the Prancing Horse some less than flattering information regarding the work currently underway in Emilia on the development of the new engine. As is well known, technicians from other teams have recently arrived in Maranello, especially Alpine, which, after completing the PU 2026 program, freed up its engineers, who will soon be moving to new companies. Well, according to what has been learned in recent days, the engineers arriving from Viry-Chatillon have not praised the work of Ferrari's engine engineers, claiming that the Alpine engine (whose design and development were interrupted prematurely due to decisions made by company management, halting its life in the embryonic phase, thus preventing the "squeezing" of horsepower) performed better on the test bench than the one currently being developed in Maranello. This rumor, at a time when Ferrari's technicians are already considering the production of the components that will equip the 678's power unit in the initial tests, could represent a serious blow to the validity of the work done in recent months. On closer inspection, however, these suggestions could represent a "help" for Enrico Gualtieri's team, useful for correcting any shortcomings in a project born from a blank sheet of paper and in which even small details could have major consequences and bring significant benefits.

The Italian media said that Ferrari has perfected a partnership with M-TECH and HP companies in order to use a 3D laser printer technology called DMLS, which stands for Direct Metal Laser Sintering. Then, at the Alfredo Ferrari Institute, a technical and professional institute, they will train employees to use something more advanced called SLS - Selective Laser Sintering. This type of technology will allow the creation of miniaturized and very light parts with extremely complicated but precise internal machining.
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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 11:57
It's disheartening if they did abandon the material solutions. Last summer Autoracer reported Vasseur was focusing heavily on recruiting for that department and it was somewhere where Ferrari were optimistic they could make gains. I even remember posting the article here. And they said material solutions were an area they (Autoracer team) thought Ferrari was lagging behind compared to McLaren, and innovating there would be important to keep up.

The stuff about the engine seems like a reach however at least looking at Mercedes. How would engineers from Ferrari or Alpine know what Mercedes's PU is like?

Either way hopefully bringing in new people will also provide fresh perspectives for Ferrari's existing issues.
They abandoned it due to reliability concerns but are working on an aluminum alloy cylinder head for its 2026 engine ‘that will feature a top-secret intake system.’ according to Motorsport

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atanatizante wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 13:00
Chuckjr wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 09:50
catent wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 04:23
I have no clue the quality/validity of this reporting, so take it with a large heaping of salt.

https://www.formula1.it/news/27735/1/fe ... -arrivati-

English translation: https://www-formula1-it.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp
Here's the article in English (google translate)

For Ferrari, the weeks between late summer and early autumn were characterized by a revolving door atmosphere. Much ado was sparked by Wolf Zimmermann Lars Schmidt's departure from Audi, which, at a crucial time for the development of the 2026 power units, created a void in the Prancing Horse's engine department. While from the outside, the situation appeared fluid on the eve of the introduction of the new regulations, which will bring enormous changes to both aerodynamics and engines, Maranello quickly denials and professed calm, maintaining that the department headed by Enrico Gualtieri (who now has full power following the departure of two key collaborators) is working at full speed and with maximum concentration on the new power unit.

Experiments on... materials
According to our sources, the Scuderia had wanted to experiment with innovative material solutions on a PU since last May, such as a steel cylinder head. This idea was abandoned (no one knows when) in favor of traditional solutions made from additive-treated aluminum, to achieve levels of reliability and power that, given the temperatures and pressures involved, the original solution could not guarantee. For this reason, bench tests (to determine the reliability needed to ensure the unit's longevity, allowing the season to be run with the units permitted by the FIA) are in full swing. But, despite what other sources have reported, it's unknown under what conditions the pre-established targets were achieved, and whether they can be reassuring or not. Furthermore, in addition to reliability, Enrico Gualtieri's engineers will also have to determine the power needed to make the power unit at least competitive. And, according to information we have, the situation in this regard doesn't look too rosy: the Prancing Horse, at least at the start of the year, will most likely lag behind Mercedes, whose unit is widely tipped as the one that will set the bar. As they say, Vox populi…

Former rivals in the lead
And the people, or a portion of them, have given the Prancing Horse some less than flattering information regarding the work currently underway in Emilia on the development of the new engine. As is well known, technicians from other teams have recently arrived in Maranello, especially Alpine, which, after completing the PU 2026 program, freed up its engineers, who will soon be moving to new companies. Well, according to what has been learned in recent days, the engineers arriving from Viry-Chatillon have not praised the work of Ferrari's engine engineers, claiming that the Alpine engine (whose design and development were interrupted prematurely due to decisions made by company management, halting its life in the embryonic phase, thus preventing the "squeezing" of horsepower) performed better on the test bench than the one currently being developed in Maranello. This rumor, at a time when Ferrari's technicians are already considering the production of the components that will equip the 678's power unit in the initial tests, could represent a serious blow to the validity of the work done in recent months. On closer inspection, however, these suggestions could represent a "help" for Enrico Gualtieri's team, useful for correcting any shortcomings in a project born from a blank sheet of paper and in which even small details could have major consequences and bring significant benefits.

The Italian media said that Ferrari has perfected a partnership with M-TECH and HP companies in order to use a 3D laser printer technology called DMLS, which stands for Direct Metal Laser Sintering. Then, at the Alfredo Ferrari Institute, a technical and professional institute, they will train employees to use something more advanced called SLS - Selective Laser Sintering. This type of technology will allow the creation of miniaturized and very light parts with extremely complicated but precise internal machining.
This part is just BS. DMLS exists since 2010 and all F1 teams use it for engine parts today. SLS is an old technology which is being abandoned.
The article may say some truth but is very vague, it seems written by a non competent journalist.

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Personally i don't believe nothing till we see it in track. Rumor's this and rumor's that to me especially from the MB side where Toto feeds everyone what they want to hear to keep them happy after all this year's of crap cars, and suddenly all the forum here count them as top?
Ferrari will be very good in all areas, not top but good and mark my post.

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Unusual for Lewis to opt for the lower downforce wing of the two


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Did they run a qualifying sim?

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deadhead wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 17:42
Did they run a qualifying sim?
Ferrari went back out on old hards while almost everyone changed to new mediums, Max did a soft run but aborted his lap and pitted

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Ugly session…maybe not doing any serious running in free practice isn’t the way to go

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I hope they sacrificed the sprint on purpose to test setups. Austin they did poorly but they turned it around with the data they gathered. Else this is going to be a brutal weekend.

Fred__18 mentioned Ferrari were also down in engine mode during SQ. Maybe trying to be conservative to save the lifespan. I haven't looked but it would make sense as Ferrari never take risks for Sprints.

Unlike Austin, Interlagos has never been a good track for Ferrari. The only track where Leclerc has never had a podium (though that's also due to bad luck.)

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bluechris wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 07:33
Ferrari will be very good in all areas, not top but good and mark my post.
Just curious what makes you say that and what “good” means to you?

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 21:42
I hope they sacrificed the sprint on purpose to test setups. Austin they did poorly but they turned it around with the data they gathered. Else this is going to be a brutal weekend.

Fred__18 mentioned Ferrari were also down in engine mode during SQ. Maybe trying to be conservative to save the lifespan. I haven't looked but it would make sense as Ferrari never take risks for Sprints.

Unlike Austin, Interlagos has never been a good track for Ferrari. The only track where Leclerc has never had a podium (though that's also due to bad luck.)
Duchessa said theyre losing 2 tenths alone on the straights so either its the wing, engine mode or both. Both drivers saying the car is slow with lewis saying the team thought they would be faster, so maybe its a compromise tomorrow being wet, i cant think of another reason to go higher downforce when Lewis was doing fine on the lower load wing in FP1 both in single lap and race pace

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Just a reprimand for lewis


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Luscion wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 21:58


Duchessa said theyre losing 2 tenths alone on the straights so either its the wing, engine mode or both. Both drivers saying the car is slow with lewis saying the team thought they would be faster, so maybe its a compromise tomorrow being wet, i cant think of another reason to go higher downforce when Lewis was doing fine on the lower load wing in FP1 both in single lap and race pace
There's only 40% chance of rain according to the FIA. Hopefully that goes up as tomorrow comes closer.

Leclerc said he doesn't think they chose a different setup than the other teams so he isn't sure why they were so much slower which lines up with what Hamilton said too. :? Never promising when the drivers/team say they don't know where they went wrong. But sprints have never been Ferrari's forte either so...

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deadhead wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 21:53
bluechris wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 07:33
Ferrari will be very good in all areas, not top but good and mark my post.
Just curious what makes you say that and what “good” means to you?
Just fighting for the championship with wins. Not domination like Max or McLaren era but they will be on top with the rest.