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[Badger]

These Hungary complaints are misguided. Oscar opted for the strategy he thought was best with his driving and tyre wear. Lando then acted as second mover and chose the offset strategy because that gives him the best chance of passing Oscar, even if it’s suboptimal theoretically. Lando being faster and better on the tyres then made it work. Oscar has no one to blame but himself, though some people seem to believe he deserves to be served this championship on a platter.

[mwillems]

These Hungary complaints are misguided. Oscar opted for the strategy he thought was best with his driving and tyre wear. Lando then acted as second mover and chose the offset strategy because that gives him the best chance of passing Oscar, even if it’s suboptimal theoretically. Lando being faster and better on the tyres then made it work. Oscar has no one to blame but himself, though some people seem to believe he deserves to be served this championship on a platter.

Hungary wasnt race strategy. He helped Lando qualify just behind him and not a few places back as his Q3 pace bevitted. Oscar would likely have won and Lando fought to P2 without a tow in Q3 to help Lando qualify further up.tbe field than his pace deserved.

Oscar had no such favour returned.

[Badger]

These Hungary complaints are misguided. Oscar opted for the strategy he thought was best with his driving and tyre wear. Lando then acted as second mover and chose the offset strategy because that gives him the best chance of passing Oscar, even if it’s suboptimal theoretically. Lando being faster and better on the tyres then made it work. Oscar has no one to blame but himself, though some people seem to believe he deserves to be served this championship on a platter.

Hungary wasnt race strategy. He helped Oscar qualify just behind him and not a few places back. Oscar would likely have won and Lando fought to P2 without a tow in Q3.

Nonsense, a tow in Hungary

Show us the data trace how much time this mythical Hungary tow gave. Enough with the BS.

[mwillems]

These Hungary complaints are misguided. Oscar opted for the strategy he thought was best with his driving and tyre wear. Lando then acted as second mover and chose the offset strategy because that gives him the best chance of passing Oscar, even if it’s suboptimal theoretically. Lando being faster and better on the tyres then made it work. Oscar has no one to blame but himself, though some people seem to believe he deserves to be served this championship on a platter.

Hungary wasnt race strategy. He helped Oscar qualify just behind him and not a few places back. Oscar would likely have won and Lando fought to P2 without a tow in Q3.

Nonsense

Can you put something more constructive, such as why?

Also I corrected as I put Oscar, meant Lando was given a tow.

[mwillems]

These Hungary complaints are misguided. Oscar opted for the strategy he thought was best with his driving and tyre wear. Lando then acted as second mover and chose the offset strategy because that gives him the best chance of passing Oscar, even if it’s suboptimal theoretically. Lando being faster and better on the tyres then made it work. Oscar has no one to blame but himself, though some people seem to believe he deserves to be served this championship on a platter.

Hungary wasnt race strategy. He helped Oscar qualify just behind him and not a few places back. Oscar would likely have won and Lando fought to P2 without a tow in Q3.

Nonsense, a tow in Hungary

Show us the data trace how much time this mythical Hungary tow gave. Enough with the BS.

If you can tow Lando up to turn 4" - Piastri Full Team Radio - Italian GP Qualifying 2025




Oh that was the Italy tow. Hold on.
Got my races mixed up. Lando was in danger in Q2 monza.

I get that it is a team sport, but Lando said it was crucial for getting into Q3. In this instance, he got more than he deserved and that has favoured Lando.

Nothing else has, in my opinion.

[Badger]

Hungary wasnt race strategy. He helped Oscar qualify just behind him and not a few places back. Oscar would likely have won and Lando fought to P2 without a tow in Q3.

Nonsense, a tow in Hungary

Show us the data trace how much time this mythical Hungary tow gave. Enough with the BS.

If you can tow Lando up to turn 4" - Piastri Full Team Radio - Italian GP Qualifying 2025




Oh that was the Italy tow. Hold on.
Got my races mixed up. Lando was in danger in Q2 monza.

A tow in Hungary is ridiculous so you should have figured that out based on its own incredulity. My point on the strategy stands, Oscar’s lack of tyre management and pace is what screwed him, not any favourable treatment towards Lando. He just did the opposite to what Oscar chose to do and made it better through good driving.

[mwillems]

Nonsense, a tow in Hungary

Show us the data trace how much time this mythical Hungary tow gave. Enough with the BS.

If you can tow Lando up to turn 4" - Piastri Full Team Radio - Italian GP Qualifying 2025




Oh that was the Italy tow. Hold on.
Got my races mixed up. Lando was in danger in Q2 monza.

A tow in Hungary is ridiculous so you should have figured that out based on its own incredulity. My point on the strategy stands, Oscar’s lack of tyre management and pace is what screwed him, not any favourable treatment towards Lando. He just did the opposite to what Oscar chose to do and made it better.

Wind you're neck.in a bit, you are not immune to mistakes, and seeing someone make one isnt license to be obnoxious.

[FittingMechanics]

That is my point. This staged racing is now going to hurt the championship leader in the last 5 weekends. Piastri is struggling now. So he may find himself 2nd in the running order more often. If he were in a separate team, he would be allowed maximum latitude to get ahead of Lando Norris. Now he won't be. If Mclaren continue to refuse to allow them to operate as separate teams, then the season finale will be artificial.

But that is not realistic. They are still teammates. They should be able to work together toward a common goal. Their inter team fight is secondary and needs to be done in a controlled fashion (what is McLaren trying to do). Otherwise you get teammates colliding with each other, two sides of the garage stop talking to each other, one of the driver gets upset and wants to leave, etc.

I know it's strange because usually teams don't do it, but this is the situation in McLaren in 2025 and it will remain so.

Alternative are even worse or completely unrealistic. In Red Bull if Tsunoda was anywhere close to Verstappen he would be moved out of the way, completely removing any racing whatsoever. Second alternative is "two sides of the garage don't talk to each other" which would mean they both have worse setups as they can't fine tune it as much in Free Practices. Then their strategies are completely bonkers and unpredictable as you don't know when the other car is pitting. And you are slowly but surely eroding any team spirit within the team as everything is a battle.

[Badger]

If you can tow Lando up to turn 4" - Piastri Full Team Radio - Italian GP Qualifying 2025




Oh that was the Italy tow. Hold on.
Got my races mixed up. Lando was in danger in Q2 monza.

A tow in Hungary is ridiculous so you should have figured that out based on its own incredulity. My point on the strategy stands, Oscar’s lack of tyre management and pace is what screwed him, not any favourable treatment towards Lando. He just did the opposite to what Oscar chose to do and made it better.

Wind you're neck.in a bit, you are not immune to mistakes, and seeing someone make one isnt license to be obnoxious.

Btw, the in-lap tow in Monza was inconsequential as well. It was a very distant one down to T4 and Lando had 1,5 tenths margin at the end of his lap. Nice he helped, but Lando would have been through regardless.

[bluechris]

They should be able to work together toward a common goal.

The common goal ended when the team took the championship. They just dont need to crash to cost to the team for the last races.

[venkyhere]

what is the debate that's going on ?
A : Team prioritizes Norris
B : Team doesn't have driver priority
irrespective of the 'form' of each driver.

Right ?
What will ensure a McLaren driver wins WDC - A or B ? Can anyone answer with certainty ? I don't think so.
Then the whole point of the back and forth pugilism in the last two pages, is only about the 'team PR' or 'image of the team' isn't it ? In that case, does A make the team villains ? does B make them saints ? Neither, as you will all agree with me. Then why are we wasting our time and the forum's content, over this ? The mainstream F1 media and all the 'streamers'/'podcasters' are anyway filling up the internet with hours and hours of 'whom are they favouring' , 'should they favour one' debates. Let's give it a rest, let the team do whatever it deems fit, because the team as an organization really cares only for the WCC, and it's already achieved it, handsomely. The WDC, as far as the teams (this particular team especially) are concerned, is only a 'good-to-have', not 'essential'. However, a vast majority of the F1 audience/fans don't really care for WCC, they care only about WDC, and the teams & FoM already know this.

[Darth-Piekus]

Thing is with how Mclaren is handling the championship they are already being discussed negatively to the media and the community. Already people are calling it the Championship of the Mids (as in mediocres refering to the two Mclaren drivers).

[Badger]

Thing is with how Mclaren is handling the championship they are already being discussed negatively to the media and the community. Already people are calling it the Championship of the Mids (as in mediocres refering to the two Mclaren drivers).

Mate, they would be discussed negatively whatever they do. Teams that prioritise are discussed negatively, teams that try to be fair are discussed negatively. Somebody always has something to complain about because you have separate interests on all sides of this.

McLaren have made a choice and it’s the only choice that makes sense given the relative parity between their two drivers and their closeness in the standings. If they had prioritised Piastri that would have caused a monumental sh**storm that would dwarf whatever “controversies” that are currently being blown out of proportion.

As for the whole “Championship of the Mids”, I doubt many of us had heard that before you started bringing it up here. So maybe stop saying it Yeah, most people wouldn’t put Lando or Oscar at the very top of their driver ranking but that doesn’t make them “mid”.

[Darth-Piekus]

How much do you think in qualifying time the difference is between a top driver, a very good one, a mediocre one and a bad one? I've been hearing about magic this and magic that but how much is that magic?

[mwillems]

A tow in Hungary is ridiculous so you should have figured that out based on its own incredulity. My point on the strategy stands, Oscar’s lack of tyre management and pace is what screwed him, not any favourable treatment towards Lando. He just did the opposite to what Oscar chose to do and made it better.

Wind you're neck.in a bit, you are not immune to mistakes, and seeing someone make one isnt license to be obnoxious.

Btw, the in-lap tow in Monza was inconsequential as well. It was a very distant one down to T4 and Lando had 1,5 tenths margin at the end of his lap. Nice he helped, but Lando would have been through regardless.

As already stated i was mistaken. My brain got crossed wires and misremembered, but we can still try not to be childish when it happens because that always bites people back on the ass.