Silly Season 2013/14

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Why would Lotus even consider Massa? Plenty of better alternatives
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gandharva wrote:So Kimi will stay at Lotus. Seems it's the only team giving him the latitude he wants even if he has to wait for his paycheck sometimes.

I also disagree with the theory that says he didn't go to RBR because of lack of money. He simply hates simulator hours and PR events and at RBR this would be a must...
Have to agree. In the end it probably came down to where Kimi thought he would actually enjoy his job, and Lotus gives him the best shot at that. Would Red Bull give him a better shot at the title? Probably not in the grand scheme of things with Vettel being so embedded in all they do, and he probably wouldn't enjoy the politics that goes with a job in that team. Same reason he's unlikely to go to Ferrari. It's too political an environment to just do your job and enjoy it.

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I always felt Massa would end up back at Sauber, if he was to leave Ferrari. Peter Sauber is said to love the likable Brazilian.

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SchumacherM wrote:Ferrari handled Kimi nicely in the past...why wouldn't they now?
Really? Because the story that I know involves Ferrari trying to get rid of him to get Alonso and Santander's money, which ended in a mutual agreement and Raikkonen doing WRC. Altough I'm not a people person that doesnt seem really nice to me.

Back OT: I see absolutely no reason at all to think why Raikkonen would go to Ferrari. And I don't see a reason why Massa would go to Lotus either.

But what about Sutil, or Di Resta?
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Damn! Would have loved to have seen the kimi/seb match up, glad for a younger driver getting a chance :) (assuming its JEV or Ric)
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myurr wrote:
gandharva wrote:So Kimi will stay at Lotus. Seems it's the only team giving him the latitude he wants even if he has to wait for his paycheck sometimes.

I also disagree with the theory that says he didn't go to RBR because of lack of money. He simply hates simulator hours and PR events and at RBR this would be a must...
Have to agree. In the end it probably came down to where Kimi thought he would actually enjoy his job, and Lotus gives him the best shot at that. Would Red Bull give him a better shot at the title? Probably not in the grand scheme of things with Vettel being so embedded in all they do, and he probably wouldn't enjoy the politics that goes with a job in that team. Same reason he's unlikely to go to Ferrari. It's too political an environment to just do your job and enjoy it.
His manager apparently said it was down to money on the table. So you say the man is wrong?
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Looking at Vettel´s paycheck it seems they have a different philosophy compared to other teams.
Perhaps that´s partly because of Newey who sees drivers as components and that him knowing just how good his cars is, that given a strong car, any of the top drivers would do the job, hence, why pay more then we actually have to.

I´d expect Vettel to get astronomical figures should he move to Ferrari some day.
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sennafan24 wrote:I always felt Massa would end up back at Sauber, if he was to leave Ferrari. Peter Sauber is said to love the likable Brazilian.
Seems unlikely unless he plans to take a lot of money there with him...

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ScottB wrote:
sennafan24 wrote:I always felt Massa would end up back at Sauber, if he was to leave Ferrari. Peter Sauber is said to love the likable Brazilian.
Seems unlikely unless he plans to take a lot of money there with him...
Right you are, I forgot about Sauber's money woes.

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Kimi and Fernando, nice WDC team mate battle next season.
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WhiteBlue wrote:His manager apparently said it was down to money on the table. So you say the man is wrong?
His manager probably highlighted the most politically acceptable reason.

Best to not say "Kimi won't sign because he never wants to work with you". Far more subtle to say "We'd love to do a deal with you, but its just not working out with commercial side" then blame the lawyers and bankers.

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SectorOne wrote:Looking at Vettel´s paycheck it seems they have a different philosophy compared to other teams.
Perhaps that´s partly because of Newey who sees drivers as components and that him knowing just how good his cars is, that given a strong car, any of the top drivers would do the job, hence, why pay more then we actually have to.

I´d expect Vettel to get astronomical figures should he move to Ferrari some day.
I sure hope next year we are talking about Ricciardo beating Vettel.

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The more I'm collecting opinions, the more likely it seems that Kimi (Steve R.) is in serious negotiations with Ferrari. The people I usually talk to categorically refused to comment, as in: "No talk at all about this now" - meaning, not yet, wait.

Eddie Jordan seem to think that Ferrari are also trying to sign Kimi, but some say that LdM isn't happy with such move. It would mean that Ferrari, from a management perspective, has done a mistake by firing Kimi and hiring Massa.
This fact, however, is known for any person that follows F1, so Luca isn't going to announce something new. Both sides better swallow the pride and finish the job, if they want to get the deal sealed. If I'm in Ferrari, I will desperately try to sign my last champion, otherwise this could mean serious political shakeup among high management - tifosi are out of patience, as it seems. Signing Kimi will mean relief and added confidence within the team - having two extremely fast and consistent world champions means a lot.

My personal opinion, however, is that Kimi should stay in Lotus, just for the sake of force distribution and to "avoid unfavorable pressure gradients" in Ferrari.

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richard_leeds wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:His manager apparently said it was down to money on the table. So you say the man is wrong?
His manager probably highlighted the most politically acceptable reason.

Best to not say "Kimi won't sign because he never wants to work with you". Far more subtle to say "We'd love to do a deal with you, but its just not working out with commercial side" then blame the lawyers and bankers.
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. They say.
So the man will always find a suitable explanation why the the reported circumstances do not seem to fit his theory. :wink:

If we find Kimi back in red I say that his nice salary will be an insurance for Ferrari to cover all the bases in case Alonso jumps ship to Red Bull next year.

For Kimi apparently money is the most important issue at this state of things. He will probably tell the press why he did something that looks stupid. The stupid thing in my view is the rumored Ferrari horse power problem next year.
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Kiril Varbanov wrote:Signing Kimi will mean relief and added confidence within the team - having two extremely fast and consistent world champions means a lot.
How they are gonna finance that?