2025 McLaren F1 Team

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Red bull surely have engine turned down to lose so much in the first sector?

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
25 Oct 2025, 20:30
Is it accurate though? The qualifying performance surely must have changed since Monza.
It has changed, but it is an unweighted average. A couple of "bad" qualifyings won't have a significant impact.
Think of all the "zeros" for each McLaren pole this season. Then consider the cases where they didn't get pole. Only 3-4 times it might have been on a gap higher than a tenth.
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So pretty much the average qualifying difference was 1 or maximum 2 tenths between Mclaren and Red Bull. Definitely nothing like the huge difference that the RB of 2003 had from the rest of the field.

Nice input there Emag. It has previous years and can certainly show us which car was really dominant.

From what I see 2024 was even closer between Mclaren and Red Bull.

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
25 Oct 2025, 20:36
So pretty much the average qualifying difference was 1 or maximum 2 tenths between Mclaren and Red Bull. Definitely nothing like the huge difference that the RB of 2003 had from the rest of the field.

Nice input there Emag. It has previous years and can certainly show us which car was really dominant.
Quali-pace wise the RB19 basically had a gap to Ferrari of that year similar to what the MCL39 has to the RB21 this year.
Race-pace wise though, the RB19 is uncomparable. MCL39 was on track to be similar until Monza but the average has gone up since then. RedBull's nearest rival in race pace (on average) in 2023 was 0.5s back. Tremendous gap. McLaren's has dipped to 0.3s now and probably will go lower until the end of the season.

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Are you sure?
I see Red Bull Avg Gap to Pole to be
+0.118s
Avg Gap to Fastest
+0.025s

While Ferrari is
Avg Gap to Pole
+0.335s
Avg Gap to Fastest
+0.561s

Doesn't look like they are even near in 2023 compared to this year. Tell me if I'm reading this in the wrong way.

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Missed watching FP3, looked at the timing sheet. Wow.
Verstappen 0.6 behind Norris, on such a short lap. It can't all be engine mode / fuel load, it most likely is a case of inability to maintain the correct tyre temperature on such a hot track. McLaren's tyre temp mastery (remove heat or keep heat as necessary, like a closed loop feedback system) coming to the fore. If the track temps remain similarly 'hot' for Q, it's an easy pole and win for Norris. McLaren has been running with least 'cooling ducts' (I hope car is unchanged w.r.t this today) which means not only their relative drag w.r.t others like Ferrari/Redbull is reduced, but also that their rear downforce structures are working much better than others.

Hopefully that FP3 has settled some nerves in this thread

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SilviuAgo
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Hmmm...not looking so bad
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So bad? Not bad at all.

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Something just doesn't seem right. Lando will be right at the front I expected that but the gaps seem way to big. No way Redbull with max in it is that far off both in qualy and race pace.

The gap between norris and Oscar is startling. Lando is on form but its a great shame that the pole position here is probably one of if not the most hardest to keep by turn 1.

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Mcl_G10 wrote:
25 Oct 2025, 22:03
Something just doesn't seem right. Lando will be right at the front I expected that but the gaps seem way to big. No way Redbull with max in it is that far off both in qualy and race pace.

The gap between norris and Oscar is startling. Lando is on form but its a great shame that the pole position here is probably one of if not the most hardest to keep by turn 1.
I really hope the race pace is as strong as FP2 and FP3 shown. As our colleague Avocado also said, not bad at all.

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just hope they havnt dialed out the race pace for the one lap - i think Max was genuinely concerned over race pace yesterday

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Omg Oscar. With this pace even the q2 will be tight…

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Where is Piastri losing time compared to Norris? Where can he find 2 more tenths?

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
25 Oct 2025, 23:13
Where is Piastri losing time compared to Norris? Where can he find 2 more tenths?
Where not :( ?

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How is this possible, what's going on with Oscar?!? Norris looks so fast!!!

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