2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

[M840TR]

this car just has cancer from the start....
i hope they are full on next year development for a long time.

Since France I think.

The Big problem there is that they have lost their Chassis lead and Vehicle design lead, only the aero team is constant. Ironically the aero people dont understand the current aero issue so cant update this years car. James Key will prolly be released very late into the design phase.
All things suggest next year will be even worse, ala Mclaren Minardi. Sad really, how the mighty have fallen.

They do. It'll just take too long, so not worth it. It's not all aero though. With the wing level they run they should be higher up in the speed traps, even with low corner exit speed. So there are indications it could be mechanical as well.

[Jackles-UK]

Even if Ocon could be made to fit this years car I don’t think it would benefit either party.

Button struggled to fit into the 2010 car (which was built with Hamilton & Kovalainen in mind) and he said he felt like he was “sitting on it rather than in it”. As a result he struggled for feel and finished way back. 2011 he got the car built to fit him from day one and finished 2nd only to Vettel at seasons end.

Ocon is a contender for 2019, no question, but he wouldn’t be any faster than Vandoorne in a cut-and-shut 2018 chassis especially in an unfamiliar car and with an engine he has never driven before.

[RonDennis]

Even if Ocon could be made to fit this years car I don’t think it would benefit either party.

Button struggled to fit into the 2010 car (which was built with Hamilton & Kovalainen in mind) and he said he felt like he was “sitting on it rather than in it”. As a result he struggled for feel and finished way back. 2011 he got the car built to fit him from day one and finished 2nd only to Vettel at seasons end.

Ocon is a contender for 2019, no question, but he wouldn’t be any faster than Vandoorne in a cut-and-shut 2018 chassis especially in an unfamiliar car and with an engine he has never driven before.

Well, if you're going to put Ocon in the car for 2019 and 2020, why not put him in immediately.

[RonDennis]

this car just has cancer from the start....
i hope they are full on next year development for a long time.

Since France I think.

The Big problem there is that they have lost their Chassis lead and Vehicle design lead, only the aero team is constant. Ironically the aero people dont understand the current aero issue so cant update this years car. James Key will prolly be released very late into the design phase.
All things suggest next year will be even worse, ala Mclaren Minardi. Sad really, how the mighty have fallen.

Alonso said that they found out several months ago what went wrong, but the solutions won't be applied because the 2018 design is done.

[Lucky]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 44098?s=19

[Morteza]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 44098?s=19

So Pat Fry is coming back. Not a bad decision at all, he has been doing consultant work ever since Manor's demise.

[mclaren111]

GP24/7:

https://www.grandprix247.com/2018/08/31 ... formula-1/


Get him in there and ready for 2021 or 2023 new PU's

[McMika98]

Alonso said that theyfound out several months ago what went wrong, but the solutions won't be applied because the 2018 design is done.

Yes what else did Alonso say.
Last season: Pracitice doughnuts for 2018.
Pre season: Australia will be the worst showing
At Barcelona, they get the full spec for 2018 and close gap to top. Yada
Yada
They have not got a solid direction for 2019 in terms of chassis or car. So not counting on next season.

[diffuser]

They've only lost the people who made the decision that got them here in the first place. So we could say, things can't get worse without them. With any luck they'll make much better choices now if (for example) PP makes those choices until Keys gets here.

Me thinks PP has been the problem all along. Still cant understand aero performance, draggiest car in entire field. If it wasn't his past reputation he would be the first one out. Goss was a scapegoat

Only people like Zak will know for sure how things played out. Hard to imagine them firing Goss if they thought PP was the problem. Considering how early he got the boot, he must have been a big proponent that the PU was the problem last year.

[Vasconia]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 44098?s=19

So Pat Fry is coming back. Not a bad decision at all, he has been doing consultant work ever since Manor's demise.

At least something positive and real and not more "blablabla".

[mwillems]

Since France I think.

The Big problem there is that they have lost their Chassis lead and Vehicle design lead, only the aero team is constant. Ironically the aero people dont understand the current aero issue so cant update this years car. James Key will prolly be released very late into the design phase.
All things suggest next year will be even worse, ala Mclaren Minardi. Sad really, how the mighty have fallen.

They do. It'll just take too long, so not worth it. It's not all aero though. With the wing level they run they should be higher up in the speed traps, even with low corner exit speed. So there are indications it could be mechanical as well.

Indeed, I've been prattling on about the suspension for a while, suggesting car behaviour is not correct and that it cant be replicated in the tunnel, meaning the floor and diffuser don't work as intended. Somebody yesterday pointed out that the hard suspension that is constantly being run would stop the car from lowering on the straights and cause additional drag. Was a very good point and for me, makes me feel fairly certain that the issue is here. Either bottom out in corners and braking zones or high drag on straights.
Either way, the car will never improve. Discussion in car thread.

[mwillems]

Alonso said that theyfound out several months ago what went wrong, but the solutions won't be applied because the 2018 design is done.

Yes what else did Alonso say.
Last season: Pracitice doughnuts for 2018.
Pre season: Australia will be the worst showing
At Barcelona, they get the full spec for 2018 and close gap to top. Yada
Yada
They have not got a solid direction for 2019 in terms of chassis or car. So not counting on next season.

But is it draggy because of aero, or mechanical constraints which mean the car cannot be ever set up correctly.

In 2016 with non trick suspension they screwed it up. Trick suspension worked a charm last year. It was banned and now they can't get the non trick suspension to work again.

Bye bye Tim Goss.

[DiogoBrand]

Mclaren's state is just sad: 3 years with "one of the best cars in the grid", blaming Honda for all their misfortunes, then get Renault engines and lose to Honda engines in qualifying at Monza.

[RonDennis]

Alonso said that theyfound out several months ago what went wrong, but the solutions won't be applied because the 2018 design is done.

Yes what else did Alonso say.
Last season: Pracitice doughnuts for 2018.
Pre season: Australia will be the worst showing
At Barcelona, they get the full spec for 2018 and close gap to top. Yada
Yada
They have not got a solid direction for 2019 in terms of chassis or car. So not counting on next season.

I guess you know how the 2019 chassis will look like, why do you even ask.

[Ground Effect]

Mclaren's state is just sad: 3 years with "one of the best cars in the grid", blaming Honda for all their misfortunes, then get Renault engines and lose to Honda engines in qualifying at Monza.

Yawn....