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[De Jokke]

Just read that Toto said it was on old tyres (2tenths) and both drivers made mistakes (1,5 tenths), wth! Are they this crapy with tyres already

(difference would mean 2,5 tenths behind rbr): don't really believe this to be true

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Lewis saying he sacrificed some qualy pace for race performance

[harty71]

Hamilton doesn't make sense, speaking as though it's a positive over last season that they are 6 tenths behind but now they don't have the bouncing problems. That tells me they are in even further trouble, if the car doesn't have any glaring faults and they are still that far behind where are they doing to find the time?

[harty71]

Just read that Toto said it was on old tyres (2tenths) and both drivers made mistakes (1,5 tenths), wth! Are they this crapy with tyres already

(difference would mean 2,5 tenths behind rbr): don't really believe this to be true

So like every other driver then, they will all be setup for optimal race pace.
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Lewis saying he sacrificed some qualy pace for race performance

[AR3-GP]

Just read that Toto said it was on old tyres (2tenths) and both drivers made mistakes (1,5 tenths), wth! Are they this crapy with tyres already

(difference would mean 2,5 tenths behind rbr): don't really believe this to be true

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Lewis saying he sacrificed some qualy pace for race performance

Every driver and team is saying the same thing.

[dialtone]

Just read that Toto said it was on old tyres (2tenths) and both drivers made mistakes (1,5 tenths), wth! Are they this crapy with tyres already

(difference would mean 2,5 tenths behind rbr): don't really believe this to be true

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Lewis saying he sacrificed some qualy pace for race performance

He said 4 tenths behind tire for tire to F1TV.

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In the new car era where cars can follow and overtake you are daft not to sacrifice quali pace for race pace unless it's Monaco

We saw even Hungary is ruled by race pace now

Track position of course means something but it's far less in the strategists equations than it used to be

[mkay]

Just read that Toto said it was on old tyres (2tenths) and both drivers made mistakes (1,5 tenths), wth! Are they this crapy with tyres already

(difference would mean 2,5 tenths behind rbr): don't really believe this to be true

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Lewis saying he sacrificed some qualy pace for race performance

Merc gap to RB after the first run was c. 4.5 tenths. RB had a second run where they improved by approx. 2 tenths.

Wolff reckons the drivers could have gone 1-1.5 tenth faster with a 'perfect' lap.

[De Jokke]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/185254/w ... e-are.html

[harty71]

So it starts off, 1-0 for Russell over Hamilton.

Very impressive from Mr Saturday after looking well off all weekend, his race sim was also much stronger than Hamilton's yesterday. I expect him to kick on from last season and dominate Lewis this year.

[AR3-GP]

They only did 1 run on new softs in Q3. Gap was about 4 tenths then. Wolff reckons the drivers left 1-1.5 tenth on the table with scruffy laps.

MAybe the laps were scruffy because the car has weaknesses? You can't just invent "perfect laps", when the car obviously has issues which is causing the drivers to be "scruffy".

To be clear 'perfect' was my interpretation of Wolff's comments. He was clear however there was more time in those laps without needed to be 'perfect'

For instance, both drivers were slower in S1 than they had done in Q2.

Toto said reportedly:

Had Hamilton and Russell still left on a new set, the gap would have been smaller. "It's maybe about four-tenths [the gap to Red Bull], but those are all irrelevant calculations. That is the gap and that is what we need to find out more about if we want to win. They both didn't have clean laps, and a tenth and a half was still in there. Maybe we could have overtaken Alonso but this is where we are," Wolff said.

Perez said he could have found a tenth. Max said the car wasn't right and he was surprised at the lap time. It's all coulda, shoulda, woulda, copium from everyone up and down the paddock.

The reason the guys didn't have "clean laps", is because the car is limiting them. So you can't invent 1-1.5 tenths when the car is the reason they can't do the clean lap.

[Weachter78!]

MAybe the laps were scruffy because the car has weaknesses? You can't just invent "perfect laps", when the car obviously has issues which is causing the drivers to be "scruffy".

To be clear 'perfect' was my interpretation of Wolff's comments. He was clear however there was more time in those laps without needed to be 'perfect'

For instance, both drivers were slower in S1 than they had done in Q2.

Toto said reportedly:

Had Hamilton and Russell still left on a new set, the gap would have been smaller. "It's maybe about four-tenths [the gap to Red Bull], but those are all irrelevant calculations. That is the gap and that is what we need to find out more about if we want to win. They both didn't have clean laps, and a tenth and a half was still in there. Maybe we could have overtaken Alonso but this is where we are," Wolff said.

Perez said he could have found a tenth. Max said the car wasn't right and he was surprised at the lap time. It's all coulda, shoulda, woulda, copium from everyone up and down the paddock.

The reason the guys didn't have "clean laps", is because the car is limiting them. So you can't invent 1-1.5 tenths when the car is the reason they can't do the clean lap.

Well stated. Better and more cooperative car, better lap time Toto. Pretty simple

[Spoutnik]

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Merc only 319 with that rear-wing wtf

[mkay]

Merc only 319 with that rear-wing wtf

That's wrong. F1 app showed HAM hitting 323kph and Russell hitting 322kph.

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Merc only 319 with that rear-wing wtf

That's wrong. F1 app showed HAM hitting 323kph and Russell hitting 322kph.

Thank you. That's in line with my expectation