2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Poor kid. It was a bad day at the office, but I have those 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year. I hope he only stews in it for a few hours, learns from it, and forgets it! Live and learn.

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Ferrari missed a trick with pitting Leclerc for the fastest lap. It takes two laps before you can set a fast lap. Should have waited until 4 laps left and wouldn't have given Red Bull a chance for it. Although having said that tyres may have been graining

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Don't worry - it was "classical" mistake by Charles. He still need to grow up as a driver (like Hamilton and Verstappen did).

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JPBD1990 wrote:
24 Apr 2022, 17:16
It also helps Ferrari in so many ways. They are much stronger in the corners. You can’t just lop the sidepods off to reduce drag and expect the remainder of the cars performance to stay the same.

They are different concepts and philosophies. Ferrari (I think Carlos) have said they have a car in the wind tunnel that is better than their current car. I think we can agree that the time to bring that performance to the car is ASAP
Indeed. But in battle (which will happen a lot) being quick on the straight is what matters. DRS basically guarantees the Red Bull a pass like we saw in Jeddah and the sprint. The Ferrari struggles to get close even with DRS

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Spacepace wrote:
24 Apr 2022, 17:36
Ferrari missed a trick with pitting Leclerc for the fastest lap. It takes two laps before you can set a fast lap. Should have waited until 4 laps left and wouldn't have given Red Bull a chance for it. Although having said that tyres may have been graining
The stop was an attempt at getting P2, which is worth more points than a FL

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Feel gutted for the team, especially for Sainz. What a wretched time he is having. Can't blame Leclerc for trying hard to get that 2nd place.

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wowgr8 wrote:
24 Apr 2022, 17:13
The drag level of the car is going to be a thorn in Ferrari's side all year. Red Bull being 5-15 kmh slower on the straight makes them difficult to defend against and impossible to pass, on top of gaining lots of free time on the straights. Maybe simplistic to put it down to the sidepods but looking from head-on they are incredibly boxy. They basically fill the entire reg volume

Not saying everything is doomed but the drag is a worry. It hurts Ferrari in so many ways vs Red Bull. Unless they can respond with some significant upgrades they're already on the backfoot in Miami
We’ve had that discussion about the sidepods at the beginning of the season already, including a wonderful CFD work by Vanja basically underlining that it’s not a wise idea to make statements about drag by looking at the car. The CFD simulation even proved that Ferrari’s “incredibly boxy” sidepods produce less drag than Mercedes’ tiny ones.

Ferrari’s sidepod design produces more drag than RedBull’s, yes, but that’s not explained by the fact they look “boxy”. After all RedBull also has wide sidepods, much wider than Mercedes. Though, I’m not so sure how big the drag difference even is. Remember Melbourne when Max couldn’t overtake Leclerc after the SC restart even though he was almost touching his gearbox going onto the straight. That was when RedBull used rear wing levels like Ferrari and Ferrari used a bit more power than in previous races, if true.

Also, you’re talking about drag, but completely ignoring that Ferrari has the most downforce. That’s a decisive point, if we want to compare drag levels.

Ferrari knows where their weaknesses are (the team told this several weeks ago) and the upgrades will tackle them.

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Watching the replay of the spin again. It seems like he left the brake pedal a bit and then locked them again when close to the barriers. Like he litteraly aimed for side hit, instead smashing with rear suspension only.

Or maybe I'm seeing things.

Either skill+luck or pure luck for not damaging beyond repair
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Drag has nothing to do with the result... This is the telemetry right after switch to medium in the race, and look at the braking point for Ferrari in Tamburello and Villeneuve (T2-3 and T5-6), Perez brakes so much later than Ferrari.

That's it, no way to win with that braking advantage for Red Bull. Top speed has nothing to do with the result.

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dialtone wrote:
24 Apr 2022, 18:22
https://i.imgur.com/T5FXTSk.jpeg

Drag has nothing to do with the result... This is the telemetry right after switch to medium in the race, and look at the braking point for Ferrari in Tamburello and Villeneuve (T2-3 and T5-6), Perez brakes so much later than Ferrari.

That's it, no way to win with that braking advantage for Red Bull. Top speed has nothing to do with the result.
How do you explain such a braking advantage ?

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If Ferrari has the most downforce available then why they could not fight with RedBull on a track that is known to be a high downforce track ?

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dialtone wrote:
24 Apr 2022, 18:22
https://i.imgur.com/T5FXTSk.jpeg

Drag has nothing to do with the result... This is the telemetry right after switch to medium in the race, and look at the braking point for Ferrari in Tamburello and Villeneuve (T2-3 and T5-6), Perez brakes so much later than Ferrari.

That's it, no way to win with that braking advantage for Red Bull. Top speed has nothing to do with the result.
Porpoising was bad this time around for Ferrari. They seemed to have not cared that much about it in the previous races, but this weekend their bouncing was so heavy that it minimized their braking performance among other things. They even had porpoising with DRS open. It's about time they bring the upgrades to fix it.

JPBD1990's concerns regarding the heavy porpoising this time had a reason after all, it seems. :)
But interesting that the team went for such a setup, knowing it would have a negative impact on one of their big strengths (braking). Maybe they thought that the whole or biggest part of the race was going to be on inters or even full wets.

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sunny1304r wrote:
24 Apr 2022, 18:27
If Ferrari has the most downforce available then why they could not fight with RedBull on a track that is known to be a high downforce track ?
RedBull nailed the setup whereas Ferrari had difficulties finding the sweet spot. The irony is that the exact reason for them having not brought upgrades to Imola is that it was a sprint race weekend with less practice time. They wanted to focus on setup work, but obviously still had problems. Chances are high they also gambled here and there, considering we've had changing weather conditions the whole weekend.