2025 McLaren F1 Team

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And a little bit off topic, but somehow McLaren related due to the fight for drivers world championship, an excellent analysis made by our colleague Vanja, showing that Verstappen should have been penalized not once but twice. And also that Lewis penalty was not deserved. That run off area was a pathetic joke, better to be used for some bicycle races if they want.


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Lando Norris credited his Mexico Grand Prix victory to a pivotal briefing in Singapore about McLaren's Formula 1 car.
  • “It's just, I feel better with the car today. Everything's about how I feel with the car. Last year, I felt very good with the car, I could perform better. This year I've struggled to get to grips with it.”
  • “It's been incredibly quick, but it's clearly still difficult to drive. But when you get in that sweet spot, you can make it work, and it's still something that over the last few weekends I've struggled with, even in Singapore.”
  • “I mean, we had our debrief and we sat down for half an hour, and like: ‘Guys, this is exactly the car I don't want. This is the reason why we can't win more races, why we're not gonna win in the future, is if we keep having a car that doesn't give me what I need’. This weekend, I just had a little bit more what I need, and I can perform how I did this weekend. It's as simple as that.”
  • “At times at the beginning of the year, I certainly did. Because I never want to blame my car, and certainly when the car was winning and Oscar was winning, the last thing I ever could do is use the excuse that my car is not good enough. But I wasn't getting up to grips and wasn't finding a way to make it work, and I'm finding a better way to make it work now. It's as simple as that.”
And regarding Lando's capability to indicate the path for improving, also Bortoleto spoke when was in McLaren young program:
“He goes so much into details and he’s so precise on everything he says, […] He’s the type of guy that speaks a lot in the debriefs but it’s just very important information. It’s not like he keeps talking with no important information for the team or something that will not help the team to get better and better.
He says that the car is having a problem, but at the same time, he managed to say why, so the team can attack that right way.”


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SilviuAgo wrote:
28 Oct 2025, 09:24
AR3-GP wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 23:21
FittingMechanics wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 23:20


What is odd about McLaren using a soft for a race sim? Last race they got burned because Leclerc used a soft to start the race. I fully expected all the top runners to start on a soft. Max once again rolled the dice (as they tend to do).
The track temp on race day was 53C. There's absolutely zero clue that one should spend the whole race on the softest compound. At first glance it appears almost illogical.
As FittingMechanics said, after COTA experience and understanding better the tires after USA race I think was a clear indication that also Mexico could have S-M strategy. Also Pirelli, who all know how accurate is on strategy, or Ruth in pre-race show, mentioned that S-M would be the better strategy. So is no surprise that McLaren, having in mind also their advantage on tires over completion, considered this even from Friday. In the end, was the strategy choose by all top runners, except Max who had to gamble and to do something different from the rest in order to move up from that P5. And I think this will be RBR strategy till the end, if they are not on pole, or even so, to do something different than the rest, something to increase their chances to be on top of the podium.
The tyre can be split into two component loosely to evaluate.

The carcass/structural heats predominantly from stress and distortion in getting to optimum temperature. Areo load and significant lateral bending being the main driver of that element.

The tread "gauge" far more from it's abrasion with the track, could be called "macro" stressing, with some also coming from carcass ambient.

If the surface doesn't grip sufficiently under load, then the carcass can't get heated enough as there's too little mechanical distortion of the carcass to be effective. Usually with this effect, the tread then overheats and makes even less grip to stress the carcass.

Pirelli control the carcass characteristics by altering the pressure, this to allow more or less flex if needed. All tyre manufacturers do this for vehicles across most everything we see with tyres on them. The reason is to "cap" temperature build up and avoid structural breakdown by saturation and thermal separation of the structure's components. Grip and aero load provide the input for that process to happen.

Its likely that in Mexico aero load is going to be at low end of delivering that part in the process, pressure doesn't need to be raised as they want the carcass to yeald into ideal fle range, and soft compound will help that process.

An ideal scenario can be reached .... low risk of structural overheat, soft compound driving that flex, because that flex in structure is readily available in optimum target, then car will traction and steer easily WITHOUT need to slide the tread, giving temperature control benefit there too. A virtuous is circle in somany aspect.

The medium, having less mechanical grip will just warm the structure less, compromise traction/steering etc and ultimately slide more because it can't generate that ideal flex. The car is just slower, whatever the driver throws at it.

A car like the Mercedes, with significant rear tyre loading can fall away from optimum in these circumstances, but gain with rear pressures increased which effectively controls to benefit their chassis characteristics. I believe there's correlation of this if the pressure/ success scenario is explored.

Understanding where the attributes lay in deciding on what to use is key in how to approach different tracks. The hard here would not generate enough pure traction to lift the carcass into optimum range of flex. It should slide, overheat it's tread and leave the structure too cold. Possibly eventually blister as the tread only goes over temperature and causes the tread to unbond from it's structural part.

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SilviuAgo wrote:
28 Oct 2025, 10:01
And a little bit off topic, but somehow McLaren related due to the fight for drivers world championship, an excellent analysis made by our colleague Vanja, showing that Verstappen should have been penalized not once but twice. And also that Lewis penalty was not deserved. That run off area was a pathetic joke, better to be used for some bicycle races if they want.
This is why I was super happy that our guys were not involved. Verstappen is master of using these rules.

I'm not sure I fully agree with Vanja's statement that Verstappen didn't have control of the car in T1, it's marginal at best. But I agree that he gained by going off in T3, which then forced Hamilton to try and go around him at T4 leading to him going off. Verstappen also didn't make T4 either which means that Hamilton had no chance to stay on track at all, usually if both go off it's not a penalty. Really strange steward decisions overall.

I am however worried about McLaren qualifying form. Verstappen is super hard to overtake and our guys will struggle, especially if they play it safe.

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SilviuAgo wrote:
28 Oct 2025, 10:01
And a little bit off topic, but somehow McLaren related due to the fight for drivers world championship, an excellent analysis made by our colleague Vanja, showing that Verstappen should have been penalized not once but twice. And also that Lewis penalty was not deserved. That run off area was a pathetic joke, better to be used for some bicycle races if they want.

Stewards favouring Max? Who'd have thought it. Watch out for a safety car in the last few laps at AD....
"From success, you learn absolutely nothing. From failure and setbacks, conclusions can be drawn." - Niki Lauda

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Max is an absolite devil of a racer, there's no doubting that.

Coupled with the redbull which is arguably the faster car in the right conditions I can see alot of trouble brewing ahead.
For certain in these last 4 races and 2 sprint lando, max and Oscar will do battle but one thing we know for certain os that max will do everything and anything to stop a car getting past. When hes putting it on pole and not allowing any car past (through whatever means necessary) then dnf's and collisions are going to happen.

It will be luck as to who comes off worse, just as it was in Austria last year between max and lando. The championship is far from over.

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https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-mar ... 0gmail.com


Our cost cap spending fine it seems...

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28 Oct 2025, 15:19
https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-mar ... 0gmail.com


Our cost cap spending fine it seems...
if I had a dollar for every accusation against McLaren that ultimately never materialized (illegal cooling system, water in tires, flexible wings, all performance based on mini-DRS, budget overrun, disqualification from the championship)...

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SilviuAgo wrote:
28 Oct 2025, 16:13
De Wet wrote:
28 Oct 2025, 15:19
https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-mar ... 0gmail.com


Our cost cap spending fine it seems...
if I had a dollar for every accusation against McLaren that ultimately never materialized (illegal cooling system, water in tires, flexible wings, all performance based on mini-DRS, budget overrun, disqualification from the championship)...
Some people just can’t believe a back marker can become back to back world constructors champions in the space of 7 years or so.
The same people think the championship only started 10 years ago.
Just a fan's point of view