2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[kptaylor]

A driver could instead put in the time to work with his engineer, race crew, mechanics, sim driver, etc., etc.

[F1NAC]

It really stings Charles that Lando got a championship before him. He's facing a cloudy future... Is he just another Alesi? And one pump champ like Kimi, or the next Ferrari legend? It's a festering contemplation for him.

Definitely as a non champ he cemented his status in Ferrari as a legend. Besides Schumi, there is no other driver that showed love to this team as he is. Driving shitbox after shitbox and he still preforms. I know Ferrari didn’t always produced shitbox but since 2019 there were more shitboxes than challengers for championship


This guy does not need championship to have street named after him.

[FittingMechanics]

Leclerc is taking the Norris path, staying committed to one team (his childhood favorite) and working for it. He is hurt by Ferrari development team who fumbled 2025 development. This is the mistake of the season, from fighting for WCC to this.

I hope he wins it one day.

[Space-heat]

It really stings Charles that Lando got a championship before him. He's facing a cloudy future... Is he just another Alesi? And one pump champ like Kimi, or the next Ferrari legend? It's a festering contemplation for him.

Definitely as a non champ he cemented his status in Ferrari as a legend. Besides Schumi, there is no other driver that showed love to this team as he is. Driving shitbox after shitbox and he still preforms. I know Ferrari didn’t always produced shitbox but since 2019 there were more shitboxes than challengers for championship


This guy does not need championship to have street named after him.

I think if the Merc engine is really dominating in 2026, Charles has to make a decision for 2027. The only issue is that Max will also be moving. I'll always support Ferrari, but I'd like Charles to have the chance to fight for a title similar to Piastri, Lando and Max this year.

[Emag]

Ferrari needs to accept some accountability as well for losing the winter development war, while also losing the in-season development game badly too. It's why Elkan's words were particularly annoying to hear for me. How can you say the car is fine and blame it on the drivers?

Remember where RedBull was at the beginning of the season? Their car was all over the place and very inconsistent in spite of having glimpses of competitiveness. Max is Max. He didn't change in the second half of the season. What changed was his car. RedBull turned it around with their Monza upgrade and the car was good enough that it allowed Max the chance to fight at the very least. What did Ferrari do? They spent half a season developing a new rear suspension that changed absolutely nothing about the relative performance of the car. They got outdone hard by RedBull and I am not even going to mention the fact that McLaren was so far ahead, they won both the championships without bringing any significant upgrade to the car throughout the season. That was the same team which finished just 14 points ahead of them one year ago.

[PlatinumZealot]

The upgraded rear suspension was a test to check their tools for 2026 so I'd take that for now.

[venkyhere]

Ferrari needs to accept some accountability as well for losing the winter development war, while also losing the in-season development game badly too. It's why Elkan's words were particularly annoying to hear for me. How can you say the car is fine and blame it on the drivers?

Remember where RedBull was at the beginning of the season? Their car was all over the place and very inconsistent in spite of having glimpses of competitiveness. Max is Max. He didn't change in the second half of the season. What changed was his car. RedBull turned it around with their Monza upgrade and the car was good enough that it allowed Max the chance to fight at the very least. What did Ferrari do? They spent half a season developing a new rear suspension that changed absolutely nothing about the relative performance of the car. They got outdone hard by RedBull and I am not even going to mention the fact that McLaren was so far ahead, they won both the championships without bringing any significant upgrade to the car throughout the season. That was the same team which finished just 14 points ahead of them one year ago.

Despite all the attrition rate in Redbull & the revolving door staff, Redbull is still much more competent than Ferrari, when it comes to engineering & operations. Exposes the quality of staff within Ferrari. The fact that Redbull have a 'machine-like' driver (who I think happens to be their most reliable tool) simply amplifies this difference.

Every team has some 'anchor points' and then a set of variables that keep changing across the season over different tracks, but Ferrari are all over the place at every track :

Mclaren : Design/Engg - anchor, correlation & car setup - anchor, driver 'form'/'ability' - wildly swinging variable
Mercedess : Design/Engg - anchor, correlation & car setup - variable, driver 'form'/'ability' - variable
Redbull : Design/Engg - anchor, correlation & car setup - wildly swinging variable, driver 'form'/'ability' - anchor
Ferrari : Design/Engg - wildly swinging variable, correlation & car setup - variable, driver 'form'/'ability' - variable

[sucof]

To all those who endlessly bashing this years car:
Without stepping back and looking things in perspective you can not judge anything fairly.

Ferrari was most of this year the the team with the second most points!!
What is a bad car? Which is at the back of the field constantly.

To me this is anything but a terrible car....

I believe them that the car had one flaw that was baked in for the whole season. Yet they managed to be second for a long time and they are close 4th.
Sorry but realistically means, they can build a great car. Just pure logic...
They screwed up with one thing.
Also, they went to experiment this year, trying new solutions, which is risky, and they admitted that.
But this also great for their future. If they learned enough, and will have the same team creating their 2026 car, they can be easily around the top cars.
And while most Ferrari fans can not accept less than winning, I am happy if they are close to the top fighting.
Please, try to think more sanely, realistically. Overall they did a great job, and I hope they will improve a bit for 2026.

Remember, there are more than 1000 people working in the Ferrari factories, who work their hearts out. Most of them I am sure do a great job.
If you come here and continuously talk crap about their product, you have no respect, not just for them but usually for noone in general.
This is a sport. Let them do their thing, and enjoy the great moments, stay respectful and appreciative.

[Xyz22]

To all those who endlessly bashing this years car:
Without stepping back and looking things in perspective you can not judge anything fairly.

Ferrari was most of this year the the team with the second most points!!
What is a bad car? Which is at the back of the field constantly.

To me this is anything but a terrible car....

I believe them that the car had one flaw that was baked in for the whole season. Yet they managed to be second for a long time and they are close 4th.
Sorry but realistically means, they can build a great car. Just pure logic...
They screwed up with one thing.
Also, they went to experiment this year, trying new solutions, which is risky, and they admitted that.
But this also great for their future. If they learned enough, and will have the same team creating their 2026 car, they can be easily around the top cars.
And while most Ferrari fans can not accept less than winning, I am happy if they are close to the top fighting.
Please, try to think more sanely, realistically. Overall they did a great job, and I hope they will improve a bit for 2026.

Remember, there are more than 1000 people working in the Ferrari factories, who work their hearts out. Most of them I am sure do a great job.
If you come here and continuously talk crap about their product, you have no respect, not just for them but usually for noone in general.
This is a sport. Let them do their thing, and enjoy the great moments, stay respectful and appreciative.

Ferrari was P2 because RB was only driving with Max and MB with Russell.

[venkyhere]

To all those who endlessly bashing this years car:
Without stepping back and looking things in perspective you can not judge anything fairly.

Ferrari was most of this year the the team with the second most points!!
What is a bad car? Which is at the back of the field constantly.

To me this is anything but a terrible car....

I believe them that the car had one flaw that was baked in for the whole season. Yet they managed to be second for a long time and they are close 4th.
Sorry but realistically means, they can build a great car. Just pure logic...
They screwed up with one thing.
Also, they went to experiment this year, trying new solutions, which is risky, and they admitted that.
But this also great for their future. If they learned enough, and will have the same team creating their 2026 car, they can be easily around the top cars.
And while most Ferrari fans can not accept less than winning, I am happy if they are close to the top fighting.
Please, try to think more sanely, realistically. Overall they did a great job, and I hope they will improve a bit for 2026.

Remember, there are more than 1000 people working in the Ferrari factories, who work their hearts out. Most of them I am sure do a great job.
If you come here and continuously talk crap about their product, you have no respect, not just for them but usually for noone in general.
This is a sport. Let them do their thing, and enjoy the great moments, stay respectful and appreciative.

one term : "normalized performance"

A team like Williams had a super-successful season, scoring 137 points for P5 in constructors (@5.7/race). A classic P9/P10 constructors' team, finishing as the top-midfielder.

A team like Ferrari had an underwhelming season, scoring 398 points (@16.6/race), having two world class drivers, while we saw Mercedes (469 @19.5/race) and Redbull (451 @18.8/race) doing much better, with one weak/rookie and one strong driver. Not even talking about McLaren. That's pretty underwhelming, isn't it ?

There is an unwritten 'performance baseline difference' that has been historically been held between 'top teams' v/s 'midfielder teams' and Ferrari has always been a top team, with more resources, brighter personnel, and better tools than any midfielder team, even in the budget cap era ; notwithstanding the extra 'legacy payment' they get from F1, regardless of their constructors' finishing position.

[Emag]

The upgraded rear suspension was a test to check their tools for 2026 so I'd take that for now.

Yes, we know all about next year™
But when are we going to get something about "this year"?

[Luscion]

To all those who endlessly bashing this years car:
Without stepping back and looking things in perspective you can not judge anything fairly.

Ferrari was most of this year the the team with the second most points!!
What is a bad car? Which is at the back of the field constantly.

To me this is anything but a terrible car....

I believe them that the car had one flaw that was baked in for the whole season. Yet they managed to be second for a long time and they are close 4th.
Sorry but realistically means, they can build a great car. Just pure logic...
They screwed up with one thing.
Also, they went to experiment this year, trying new solutions, which is risky, and they admitted that.
But this also great for their future. If they learned enough, and will have the same team creating their 2026 car, they can be easily around the top cars.
And while most Ferrari fans can not accept less than winning, I am happy if they are close to the top fighting.
Please, try to think more sanely, realistically. Overall they did a great job, and I hope they will improve a bit for 2026.

Remember, there are more than 1000 people working in the Ferrari factories, who work their hearts out. Most of them I am sure do a great job.
If you come here and continuously talk crap about their product, you have no respect, not just for them but usually for noone in general.
This is a sport. Let them do their thing, and enjoy the great moments, stay respectful and appreciative.

Ferrari was P2 because RB was only driving with Max and MB with Russell.

Russell scored 245 points, Hamilton 223 and Max is Max, Ferrari ended the season 184 points ahead of Merc and 63 ahead of RB, they had a very good car last year

[edu2703]

To all those who endlessly bashing this years car:
Without stepping back and looking things in perspective you can not judge anything fairly.

Ferrari was most of this year the the team with the second most points!!
What is a bad car? Which is at the back of the field constantly.

To me this is anything but a terrible car....

I believe them that the car had one flaw that was baked in for the whole season. Yet they managed to be second for a long time and they are close 4th.
Sorry but realistically means, they can build a great car. Just pure logic...
They screwed up with one thing.
Also, they went to experiment this year, trying new solutions, which is risky, and they admitted that.
But this also great for their future. If they learned enough, and will have the same team creating their 2026 car, they can be easily around the top cars.
And while most Ferrari fans can not accept less than winning, I am happy if they are close to the top fighting.
Please, try to think more sanely, realistically. Overall they did a great job, and I hope they will improve a bit for 2026.

Remember, there are more than 1000 people working in the Ferrari factories, who work their hearts out. Most of them I am sure do a great job.
If you come here and continuously talk crap about their product, you have no respect, not just for them but usually for noone in general.
This is a sport. Let them do their thing, and enjoy the great moments, stay respectful and appreciative.

Excuse me, but this sounds like cope or accepting mediocrity.

Ferrari this year probably had the most talented driver pairing on the entire grid. And for a factory team of Ferrari's stature, having a driver pairing like that, it's obvious that nothing less than victories should be accepted.

Verstappen alone scored more points than Ferrari. And we were even surpassed by Mercedes, which had a rookie. How can you analyze this and say that Ferrari did well this year?

I think this kind of attitude is dangerous, thinking that, as fans, we should be grateful for everything Ferrari does and blindly support the team. Fans should always demand good results from the team, always recognizing Ferrari's greatness. Ferrari doesn't lack money, structure, or talented drivers. Therefore, questioning why we're not even fighting for wins is always valid. This year we were surpassed in some races by teams that years ago were fighting for the last positions on the grid, teams with a much smaller structure than Ferrari.

Expectations were extremely high this year. We almost won the WCC in 2024, and with a multi-champion driver like Hamilton, the bare minimum expected was to fight for wins. We finished the season without wins, with 7 podiums and 1 pole achieved through Leclerc's sheer effort, an unstable car reminiscent of the F14T, and being eliminated in Q1. Trying to portray all this as something positive is, in my opinion, a bad joke.

[Matt2725]

It really stings Charles that Lando got a championship before him. He's facing a cloudy future... Is he just another Alesi? And one pump champ like Kimi, or the next Ferrari legend? It's a festering contemplation for him.

Definitely as a non champ he cemented his status in Ferrari as a legend. Besides Schumi, there is no other driver that showed love to this team as he is. Driving shitbox after shitbox and he still preforms. I know Ferrari didn’t always produced shitbox but since 2019 there were more shitboxes than challengers for championship


This guy does not need championship to have street named after him.

I think if the Merc engine is really dominating in 2026, Charles has to make a decision for 2027. The only issue is that Max will also be moving. I'll always support Ferrari, but I'd like Charles to have the chance to fight for a title similar to Piastri, Lando and Max this year.

Make a decision for where though? If George is fulfilling his performance obligations, then his seat is guaranteed for 2027 per Mercedes themselves. So if Max wants a seat, then he'll get the other Merc seat assuming Kimi hasn't improved as expected.
Neither McLaren driver will want to walk away from a Merc engined car if it's as good as they expect. So he has Williams or Alpine. Neither of whom we can expect will beat Merc or McLaren any time soon unless they pull a blinder in 2026.

[bluechris]

We will see but i don't buy this snake oil stories from MB. It's the same Toto agenta that feeds the MB follower's all the latest years with no results.