2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[proteus]

We will see but i don't buy this snake oil stories from MB. It's the same Toto agenta that feeds the MB follower's all the latest years with no results.

The rumor that Mercedes will have by far the best engine in 2026 is so widespread that many people already treat it as fact. I still remember the rumors they would absolutely crush the competition with the zero-pods concept in 2022, only to end up as it did.

The truth is that 2026 is a real unknown. MGU-K now generating half the car's power, synthetic fuel, MGU-H removed, etc. We will only see the real result of this in Australia.

My biggest fear is that with so much change, we will return to the reliability level of the 80s, with races ending with less than half the grid finishing because the rest had engine problems.

That would be great for sport. Good oportunities for smaller teams to get points and widespread title fight if all get problems. This modern F1 where basically almost all of the 20 drivers get to the finish line is by far too dull and predictable.

[Xyz22]

To all those who endlessly bashing this years car:
Without stepping back and looking things in perspective you can not judge anything fairly.

Ferrari was most of this year the the team with the second most points!!
What is a bad car? Which is at the back of the field constantly.

To me this is anything but a terrible car....

I believe them that the car had one flaw that was baked in for the whole season. Yet they managed to be second for a long time and they are close 4th.
Sorry but realistically means, they can build a great car. Just pure logic...
They screwed up with one thing.
Also, they went to experiment this year, trying new solutions, which is risky, and they admitted that.
But this also great for their future. If they learned enough, and will have the same team creating their 2026 car, they can be easily around the top cars.
And while most Ferrari fans can not accept less than winning, I am happy if they are close to the top fighting.
Please, try to think more sanely, realistically. Overall they did a great job, and I hope they will improve a bit for 2026.

Remember, there are more than 1000 people working in the Ferrari factories, who work their hearts out. Most of them I am sure do a great job.
If you come here and continuously talk crap about their product, you have no respect, not just for them but usually for noone in general.
This is a sport. Let them do their thing, and enjoy the great moments, stay respectful and appreciative.

Ferrari was P2 because RB was only driving with Max and MB with Russell.

Russell scored 245 points, Hamilton 223 and Max is Max, Ferrari ended the season 184 points ahead of Merc and 63 ahead of RB, they had a very good car last year

Sorry, thought it was about 2025.

[Luscion]

Ferrari was P2 because RB was only driving with Max and MB with Russell.

Russell scored 245 points, Hamilton 223 and Max is Max, Ferrari ended the season 184 points ahead of Merc and 63 ahead of RB, they had a very good car last year

Sorry, thought it was about 2025.

You're right actually, thats my bad

[DoctorRadio]

Ferrari needs to accept some accountability as well for losing the winter development war, while also losing the in-season development game badly too. It's why Elkan's words were particularly annoying to hear for me. How can you say the car is fine and blame it on the drivers?

Remember where RedBull was at the beginning of the season? Their car was all over the place and very inconsistent in spite of having glimpses of competitiveness. Max is Max. He didn't change in the second half of the season. What changed was his car. RedBull turned it around with their Monza upgrade and the car was good enough that it allowed Max the chance to fight at the very least. What did Ferrari do? They spent half a season developing a new rear suspension that changed absolutely nothing about the relative performance of the car. They got outdone hard by RedBull and I am not even going to mention the fact that McLaren was so far ahead, they won both the championships without bringing any significant upgrade to the car throughout the season. That was the same team which finished just 14 points ahead of them one year ago.

Ferrari and all the other teams lost against Mclaren.
Ferrari lost this year development race against Red Bull because they stopped developing the car at the end of April.
If you compare to Red Bull (and even Mercedes), it is not fair actually, as they brought another 2-3 floor iterations and also a more flexible front wing, which was what was the holy grail in the Venturi era and what upped Red Bull at Mclaren level.
Red Bull itself admitted it was going to cost for 2026 development, but they were happy to pay the price.
Ferrari realized early the car was so flawed that with the regs change in 2026 it was going to be pointless to develop it and no wise man can blame them for that.
Red Bull had a flawed car in 2024 and a flawed car in 2025 that only looks good now because Mclaren stopped developing at Silverstone and only in the hands of Max.
Mercedes had another flawed car, they were one second slower than Ferrari at AD, with all the SF-25 flaws.

If Ferrari failed, the same should apply to Red Bull and Mercedes, if the objective is not just a few wins, but to go for the titles.
Again, if Mclaren had developed the car as RB did, they seal the championship at Austin.

At the moment, only Mclaren can call itself a true top team, because at the factory they are the benchmark.

Then, regarding Toto, in 2026 at some point he will have to explain why a customer team (Mclaren) is ahead of them for the third season in a row, because that is what it is going to happen as Mclaren wisely concentrated on 2026 very early, as big as it was its advantage.

[AR3-GP]

Ferrari and all the other teams lost against Mclaren.
Ferrari lost this year development race against Red Bull because they stopped developing the car at the end of April.
If you compare to Red Bull (and even Mercedes), it is not fair actually, as they brought another 2-3 floor iterations and also a more flexible front wing, which was what was the holy grail in the Venturi era and what upped Red Bull at Mclaren level.
Red Bull itself admitted it was going to cost for 2026 development, but they were happy to pay the price.
Ferrari realized early the car was so flawed that with the regs change in 2026 it was going to be pointless to develop it and no wise man can blame them for that.
Red Bull had a flawed car in 2024 and a flawed car in 2025 that only looks good now because Mclaren stopped developing at Silverstone and only in the hands of Max.
Mercedes had another flawed car, they were one second slower than Ferrari at AD, with all the SF-25 flaws.

If Ferrari failed, the same should apply to Red Bull and Mercedes, if the objective is not just a few wins, but to go for the titles.
Again, if Mclaren had developed the car as RB did, they seal the championship at Austin.

I think this narrative has to be recalculated. I'm not sure if you are aware that Mclaren had less development time due to their position in the WCC championship (1st).







Their car also reached an aerodynamic plateau according to Stella.

"We also have to make a technical point here. Our car from an aerodynamic point of view was already quite mature and to add one point of aerodynamic efficiency, like we have added more than one point when we upgraded our car around Austria, Canada and so on, would take weeks for us because we were at a plateau in our aerodynamic development.

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/4671 ... sed-26-car



So its really not the story that you are telling.

[DoctorRadio]

Ferrari and all the other teams lost against Mclaren.
Ferrari lost this year development race against Red Bull because they stopped developing the car at the end of April.
If you compare to Red Bull (and even Mercedes), it is not fair actually, as they brought another 2-3 floor iterations and also a more flexible front wing, which was what was the holy grail in the Venturi era and what upped Red Bull at Mclaren level.
Red Bull itself admitted it was going to cost for 2026 development, but they were happy to pay the price.
Ferrari realized early the car was so flawed that with the regs change in 2026 it was going to be pointless to develop it and no wise man can blame them for that.
Red Bull had a flawed car in 2024 and a flawed car in 2025 that only looks good now because Mclaren stopped developing at Silverstone and only in the hands of Max.
Mercedes had another flawed car, they were one second slower than Ferrari at AD, with all the SF-25 flaws.

If Ferrari failed, the same should apply to Red Bull and Mercedes, if the objective is not just a few wins, but to go for the titles.
Again, if Mclaren had developed the car as RB did, they seal the championship at Austin.

I think this narrative has to be recalculated. I'm not sure if you are aware that Mclaren had less development time due to their position in the WCC championship (1st).

https://preview.redd.it/the-race-windtu ... 026ffd7f9d





Their car also reached an aerodynamic plateau according to Stella.

"We also have to make a technical point here. Our car from an aerodynamic point of view was already quite mature and to add one point of aerodynamic efficiency, like we have added more than one point when we upgraded our car around Austria, Canada and so on, would take weeks for us because we were at a plateau in our aerodynamic development.

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/4671 ... sed-26-car



So its really not the story that you are telling.

They did not develop the front wing that is where the balance of the Venturi cars is.
Now, look at my eyes and tell me that if Mclaren decides to go on, they are out-developed by Red Bull.
They win at Austin, such was their understanding of these rules.

[AR3-GP]

They did not develop the front wing that is where the balance of the Venturi cars is.
Now, look at my eyes and tell me that if Mclaren decides to go on, they are out-developed by Red Bull.
They win at Austin, such was their understanding of these rules.

Mclaren said the flexible front wing had no impact on their car.

“We also see the introduction of a new front wing TD this weekend, which is an entirely separate conversation. It may appear that this TD has created this tightening of the field, but this would be an incorrect assumption. In fact, we previously ran this new front wing as a test item in Imola with Lando and saw a negligible performance impact, in line with our simulations.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... /10727778/

The MCL39 hit a development ceiling. It was no longer efficient to develop it. They have less development time than the others. That's what happened. It's not about Red Bull sacrificing 2026. They had a greater resource allocation to start with. If their 2026 car is bad, it's because they had bad ideas, not that they lacked resources. They've had 10-15% more time across CFD and windtunnel since the start of this year.

[venkyhere]

Ferrari lost this year development race against Red Bull because they stopped developing the car at the end of April.

That's because after Australia and China, they discovered a 'showstopper bug' a.k.a fundamental design flaw with their car, that didn't allow the rear suspension and floor ride height to be married well (there are so many theories by the rumour mill, and the most popular one was that the gearbox casing wasn't strong enough to have a stiff suspension bolted onto it - all speculations of course) and hence there was no way any band-aid fix (they tried a few in the next few races and failed) was going to be useful. I would like to believe that it's this 'no way out' scenario that forced them to say "we are concentrating on 2026", rather than any eureka moment with the 2026 ruleset that called for all resources to be pooled in for the next car.

[cplchanb]

We will see but i don't buy this snake oil stories from MB. It's the same Toto agenta that feeds the MB follower's all the latest years with no results.

The rumor that Mercedes will have by far the best engine in 2026 is so widespread that many people already treat it as fact. I still remember the rumors they would absolutely crush the competition with the zero-pods concept in 2022, only to end up as it did.

The truth is that 2026 is a real unknown. MGU-K now generating half the car's power, synthetic fuel, MGU-H removed, etc. We will only see the real result of this in Australia.

My biggest fear is that with so much change, we will return to the reliability level of the 80s, with races ending with less than half the grid finishing because the rest had engine problems.

i would welcome this eventuality. the f1 races have become too sterile and clinical and have become so predictable.

[Jambier]

We will see but i don't buy this snake oil stories from MB. It's the same Toto agenta that feeds the MB follower's all the latest years with no results.

The rumor that Mercedes will have by far the best engine in 2026 is so widespread that many people already treat it as fact. I still remember the rumors they would absolutely crush the competition with the zero-pods concept in 2022, only to end up as it did.

The truth is that 2026 is a real unknown. MGU-K now generating half the car's power, synthetic fuel, MGU-H removed, etc. We will only see the real result of this in Australia.

My biggest fear is that with so much change, we will return to the reliability level of the 80s, with races ending with less than half the grid finishing because the rest had engine problems.

- I believe in pure power, engines will be quite similar.... energy management in race will be the key and can be very different.
- I don't see why there would be reliability issues, they are quite the same than now without the complicated MGU H
- But I agree we cannot predict anything, specially with the weight difference that will be huge I think

[DoctorRadio]

They did not develop the front wing that is where the balance of the Venturi cars is.
Now, look at my eyes and tell me that if Mclaren decides to go on, they are out-developed by Red Bull.
They win at Austin, such was their understanding of these rules.

Mclaren said the flexible front wing had no impact on their car.

“We also see the introduction of a new front wing TD this weekend, which is an entirely separate conversation. It may appear that this TD has created this tightening of the field, but this would be an incorrect assumption. In fact, we previously ran this new front wing as a test item in Imola with Lando and saw a negligible performance impact, in line with our simulations.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... /10727778/

The MCL39 hit a development ceiling. It was no longer efficient to develop it. They have less development time than the others. That's what happened. It's not about Red Bull sacrificing 2026. They had a greater resource allocation to start with. If their 2026 car is bad, it's because they had bad ideas, not that they lacked resources. They've had 10-15% more time across CFD and windtunnel since the start of this year.

If it is just a matter of aero resources, then I would not expect Mekies to come saying that this will cost them in 2026 (but they are happy with it).
It is in the recent AD friday press conference.

Then, I would not believe the teams on so delicate matters like the flexible front wing.
Binotto said TD039 was not going to affect them and we know how it ended.
That Mclaren this time was not affected was only due to the all round superiority of their package.
Again, in a straight development race, the WDC ends at Austin.

[DoctorRadio]

Ferrari lost this year development race against Red Bull because they stopped developing the car at the end of April.

That's because after Australia and China, they discovered a 'showstopper bug' a.k.a fundamental design flaw with their car, that didn't allow the rear suspension and floor ride height to be married well (there are so many theories by the rumour mill, and the most popular one was that the gearbox casing wasn't strong enough to have a stiff suspension bolted onto it - all speculations of course) and hence there was no way any band-aid fix (they tried a few in the next few races and failed) was going to be useful. I would like to believe that it's this 'no way out' scenario that forced them to say "we are concentrating on 2026", rather than any eureka moment with the 2026 ruleset that called for all resources to be pooled in for the next car.

That is what I said, the car was so flawed that to go for 2026 was a no brainer.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I still don't understand why they started developing a floor in mid-late Spring after they apparently knew the design was flawed, then brought half an upgrade and scrapped the rest even though it was more than halfway done.

Just seems like a waste of resources and no outlet has given a good reason for canceling such a big investment.. other than that they found out the floor was not worth it very late in its development?

[AR3-GP]

I still don't understand why they started developing a floor in mid-late Spring after they apparently knew the design was flawed, then brought half an upgrade and scrapped the rest even though it was more than halfway done.

Just seems like a waste of resources and no outlet has given a good reason for canceling such a big investment.. other than that they found out the floor was not worth it very late in its development?

Ferrari was getting a lot of criticism from media, fans, and its drivers. Then suddenly a narrative was pushed to save face. Convenient isn't it...There are inconsistencies in the story including what you mentioned, as well as the drivers criticizing the car and lack of development despite apparently having known that they gave up on the car back in April...It doesn't add up the way Ferrari wants people to think.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Ferrari (and Mercedes, probably others too) are running a special front wing today for the tire test to simulate the 2026 cars better. All teams were allowed to do so if they wanted but only some invested according to Pirelli