Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

[Ray]

Some people trying to make it look like Hamilton has made a serious statement about racial discrimination, thus trying to make him look like a racist.

Fail. Better luck next time...

If he didn't mean it, he wouldn't have said it.

You're right, people never say sarcastic things.

He meant it completely. You can lie to yourself to satisfy your unwavering belief that Lewis Hamilton can do no wrong, but Lewis meant every word of that. Better to ask forgiveness than permission. He told Ron Dennis to go --- himself, he's been extremely critical of McLaren almost his entire F1 career and now he 'jokes' about his skin color affecting his standing with the stewards. Had the shoe been on the other foot and someone not 'black' had made that 'joke' we wouldn't hear the end of it. You and Shrieker are not capable of critical thought and analysis when it comes to Lewis so you can say what you want, he said something he meant 100% otherwise he wouldn't have made a 'joke' over something as stupidly sensitive and childish as race. Lewis drove a fantastic race given the circumstances and events, and instead of talking up what a great drive he had, how his team managed to fix a broken car after being lucky not getting more damage in a crazy accident and finishing 6th he instead chose to make a 'joke' about how his skin color affected his race and how everyone but him is to blame for a poor performance. Once again when he doesn't get his way or things aren't perfect he shows his hatred, his ego and his unwillingness to admit that maybe not everyone else is to blame for a poor result. There were many, many passes at the Hairpin and other tight spots where overtakes happened and not one resulted in an accident. Schumacher took him at the hairpin on the opening lap, no accident. Massa overtook Rosberg at Tabac, no accident. Rubens got Schumacher at Mirabeau, no accident. Lewis was involved in three accidents directly, only one can really be argued against him the others are either way, and he whines like a crying child. He even bitched, with a Chesire Cat smile on his face no less, when he was called into the pits and his crew wasn't ready. Guess what? That happened to almost every driver today, not least of which the race winner. Don't see them crying like a child. He's a whiner just like Alonso has been in the past, yet no one will call him on it.

[wesley123]

Indeed he said 'Maybe it is because I am black, just like Ali G says', that cannot be anything else then serious!

[beelsebob]

Indeed he said 'Maybe it is because I am black, just like Ali G says', that cannot be anything else then serious!

And he was laughing as he said it – people who are laughing are always deadly serious.

[Ray]

Indeed he said 'Maybe it is because I am black, just like Ali G says', that cannot be anything else then serious!

And he was laughing as he said it – people who are laughing are always deadly serious.

You obviously are ignoring both his body language, and the tone of his voice and the tone of the entire conversation. He criticized his team after they busted their asses to fix his car, he called every other driver 'absolutely frickin ridiculous' despite the fact many, many other moves were made in the same spots without incident by a number of other drivers. He meant it, you can think whatever you want but the facts don't support you. When he doesn't get his way, or people defend against him at Monaco he complains like a sniveling child and blames everyone else. I seem to remember people calling Alonso a whiner, Lewis is turning out to be no different with the exception that Lewis has been a whiner his entire F1 career.

[timd]

I hope you feel better after that ray

God all these emotions. After this is done everyone should have a hug

[wesley123]

Indeed he said 'Maybe it is because I am black, just like Ali G says', that cannot be anything else then serious!

And he was laughing as he said it – people who are laughing are always deadly serious.

You obviously are ignoring both his body language, and the tone of his voice and the tone of the entire conversation. He criticized his team after they busted their asses to fix his car, he called every other driver 'absolutely frickin ridiculous' despite the fact many, many other moves were made in the same spots without incident. He meant it, you can think whatever you want but the facts don't support you.

I thought is was common knowledge when someone laughs when saying something he doenst mean it seriously

Apart from that, what would you expect? He was entering the weekend with a really good chance of winning the GP, but he gets bad luck all the way around, we all would bbe happy afterwards wouldnt we? Especially when your rival gets the win thrown into his hands by the rules.

[Shrieker]

Lewis Hamilton can do wrong, he is human after all.

Some people will always find satisfaction when they've been given the slightest chance by Lewis to bash him. Whether it be on or off track.

You and Shrieker are not capable of critical thought and analysis when it comes to Lewis so you can say what you want, he said something he meant 100% otherwise he wouldn't have made a 'joke' over something as stupidly sensitive and childish as race.

Wow.

[beelsebob]

You obviously are ignoring both his body language, and the tone of his voice and the tone of the entire conversation. He criticized his team after they busted their asses to fix his car, he called every other driver 'absolutely frickin ridiculous' despite the fact many, many other moves were made in the same spots without incident by a number of other drivers. He meant it, you can think whatever you want but the facts don't support you. When he doesn't get his way, or people defend against him at Monaco he complains like a sniveling child and blames everyone else. I seem to remember people calling Alonso a whiner, Lewis is turning out to be no different with the exception that Lewis has been a whiner his entire F1 career.

Yep – it's clearly impossible to make sarcastic comments while at the same time being frustrated at a difficult race.

Hate to say it ray, but you seem to be an increasingly tiny minority in taking him seriously - the facts don't seem to support you, at least in most people's opinions.

And you're right – it's utterly impossible for me to find fault with Hamilton... That's why I've been spending this thread saying how it was Massa's fault that they crashed... Wait... that's not right.

[Ray]

I hope you feel better after that ray

God all these emotions

I'm not mad, just astonished that people will call out Webber for complaining about his team, Alonso complaining about his team but when it comes to Lewis everyone falls all over themselves to justify his childish and deplore behavior and comments. It boggles the mind. I think he drove a fantastic race considering McLaren made an error in qualifying, he got caught up in a few incidents that weren't necessarily his fault, and he narrowly avoided getting completely taken out of the race due to other people. Then he drops the race card bomb and invalidates all of the great racing he did this weekend. Seriously, he was fantastic and still bitched like a grumpy teenager. He wasn't done wrong by anyone, and he was the only person to complain about the race weekend like that! I understand speaking your mind is preferable, but don't be completely stupid about it.

[Ray]

Yep – it's clearly impossible to make sarcastic comments while at the same time being frustrated at a difficult race.

He blamed his actions being brought before the stewards on the color of his skin. Joking or not, that is completely unacceptable. You cannot with a rational mind deny that. It does not matter what happened to him during the weekend, to blame it on being black is just plain stupid and immature. I don't care what the majority thinks, that was --- retarded of Lewis to say, frustrated or not.

[Ray]

I thought is was common knowledge when someone laughs when saying something he doenst mean it seriously

Apart from that, what would you expect? He was entering the weekend with a really good chance of winning the GP, but he gets bad luck all the way around, we all would bbe happy afterwards wouldnt we? Especially when your rival gets the win thrown into his hands by the rules.

His tone of voice and body language show clearly he wasn't joking. He started the interview complaining about every other driver defending their positions in a way that wasn't acceptable to him (which they weren't), he called going before the stewards a 'joke', he complained (not vocally, but with a wry smile) about his pitstop, and had a general attitude that nothing was his fault and he had been 'wronged' all weekend and the entire race. He meant it, same as he meant that everyone else on track were a 'joke'. How anyone can't see his body language telegraphing his true feelings is beyond me.

[FrukostScones]

Hamilton hit Maldo.
Not the other way around.

You clearly don't know anything about relative motion.

With that rather abstract aside out the way, watch the video again – Hamilton puts right hand lock in to avoid the colision, maldo continues to turn in. Absolutely maldo's fault.

haha, sorry, are you serious?

[andrew]

Indeed he said 'Maybe it is because I am black, just like Ali G says', that cannot be anything else then serious!

Only if everyone appreciates the "humour" used in Ali G. I use " around humour as it was not funny, in fact Ali G was a load of crap. There will be people who don't know anything about Ali G and will understandably take this as a serious comment.

I believe that he was not joking initially but very quickly tried to back out from his comment by making a joke but it was too late, his foot was well and truly wedged firmly in his larynx. No amount of Ali G references and empty apologies his remove it.
Just think, if Hamilton ever saw Blazing Saddles I think Mel Brooks better watch out!

[andrew]

And time for the opinion of an expert: http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/3213/69 ... -the-wrong.

If Jackie Stewart was in F1 today he would probably struggled to break in to the points. He's only an 'expert' in his era of racing.

And? What has that got to do with anything? He is probably better placed than anyone on this site to pass judgement.

Something from his era of racing still apply today. You don't smash into your opponents then blame them.

[wesley123]

Indeed he said 'Maybe it is because I am black, just like Ali G says', that cannot be anything else then serious!

Only if everyone appreciates the "humour" used in Ali G. I use " around humour as it was not funny, in fact Ali G was a load of crap. There will be people who don't know anything about Ali G and will understandably take this as a serious comment.

I believe that he was not joking initially but very quickly tried to back out from his comment by making a joke but it was too late, his foot was well and truly wedged firmly in his larynx. No amount of Ali G references and empty apologies his remove it.
Just think, if Hamilton ever saw Blazing Saddles I think Mel Brooks better watch out!

Sure some people do not understand it, but they should have at least looked it up before oversizing the whole story. Formule1.nl even started the article with the title; Hamilton; 'Are the stewards after me because I am black?' That is just ridiculous, Hamilton never said that, it wasnt evne close to that. Does Hamilton have to excuse himself for the reporters who are complete morons and probably be getting a good wank later the day by writing an article such a way it makes Hamilton(or another driver) look bad? I dont think so, Hamilton shouldnt even have excused himself for these words, well to the stewards he should, but not by a stupid press message, the reporters are morons who cannot seem to understand a simple thing, not he. You just love Hamilton or hate him, I actually like him because of things like these, he tries to make jokes in his interviews and seems to be less held then the others who just act like robots, admit fault, and never say a bad thing.

Schuey always did the same thing, never admit his fault, that is just championship mentality, you are the best and you never make, and never will make a mistake. Hamilton is just a good example of that. He might only be a one time champion, but he will always be remembered, and with a return he will be such as sure of a race seat as schuey, being constantly outpaced by your teammate, but ehh, it doenst matter because of yuor name.

Point is, he is a unique person on the paddock and he should just stay that way.