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[dialtone]

It seems like Leclerc was derating at the end of some of the straights for most of the laps, suggesting a conservative engine mode. If you trust the telemetry though, adding up the losses of that derating at the end of the straights does not make up more than 2 tenths of laptime.

From the telemetry I saw, he was not losing out on the start-finish straight but rather on some of the straights in the middle sector. Why would this be the case if it was an engine mode? Isn't it more likely to be different deployment or maybe just worse traction out of those slow corners?

I quickly pulled this comparison, both in their first stints. It does seem like LEC is slower on start/finish as well, but not as obvious as he reached higher top speed before that.

My man, that main straight lift is massive, yeah he reached a faster speed but he also lifted halfway to the corner and does so every corner.

T6 and T7 look great there to be fair as does 12-13-14-15 look really good.

I think the rear being a bit too loose is something they need to sort out, they’ve had a few cases where car kinda slid out mid corner so obviously a problem to solve.

That telemetry looks really good to my eyes, nothing that a slightly bigger rear wing cannot solve for example. I’m actually decently optimistic about the car now.

[CouncilorIrissa]

I knew this thread was going to be a fine read.

[f1316]

Ferrari seems to be struggling for traction compared to McLaren for right now - they out accelerate us in every traction zone basically, T8 and T10 being the worst culprits.

Let's see if it is just a mechanical issue or if they just lack some load compared to McLaren.

There was some conjecture that the new engine mapping may be essentially “too much” electrical energy for them to transfer into the tyres coming out of the corner. Could be that they’re struggling for traction and/or could be the engine mapping is too aggressive (?)

[dialtone]

This is a comparison of 2 laps in the last stint for LEC, both a 1.33.5 a few laps apart (so close to similar fuel load). MUCH less clipping on the white line. I'm not saying it's the fastest car, but I'm saying I don't think the clipping is a problem, it's a choice they made on engine mode as you can see that throttle and brake trace are very similar.

So LEC really ran the last stint on a lower engine mode.

[Vinlarr89]

Really unable to draw proper comparisons until we see them in a race weekend in Aus. McLaren hold the aces because they understand their package better than Fer, but feel Fer probably have more to improve through setups as they understand the car. Lewis will be key to this

[Macklaren]

So LEC really ran the last stint on a lower engine mode.

Possible but WHY? does it really help to run a race sim on a non representative set of settings? esp. in the last year of a ruleset?

[sport777]

So LEC really ran the last stint on a lower engine mode.

Possible but WHY? does it really help to run a race sim on a non representative set of settings? esp. in the last year of a ruleset?

I think this is related to the fact that the most important thing for Ferrari now is not the result as an absolute, but the work of the tires and the new suspension together, Leclerc, in my opinion, used the low ERS deployment mode on 3 or maybe 2 segments of the race simulation

[Macklaren]

So LEC really ran the last stint on a lower engine mode.

Possible but WHY? does it really help to run a race sim on a non representative set of settings? esp. in the last year of a ruleset?

I think this is related to the fact that the most important thing for Ferrari now is not the result as an absolute, but the work of the tires and the new suspension together, Leclerc, in my opinion, used the low ERS deployment mode on 3 or maybe 2 segments of the race simulation

Can you really tell how deg is looking if you deliberately drive slowly and dont deploy out of traction corners?

[Sphere3758]

So LEC really ran the last stint on a lower engine mode.

Possible but WHY? does it really help to run a race sim on a non representative set of settings? esp. in the last year of a ruleset?

Teams do this all the time, even on race weekends of the very last race of the season. Go check fp2 of Abu Dhabi 2023 for example. Leclerc fakes a tyre deg at the end of the stint compared to McLaren and everyone expected McLaren to be faster in the race.

He then goes on to beat both McLarens and have better/very similar race pace.

McLaren could well be sandbagging even more, but WHY is not the right question

[sport777]

Possible but WHY? does it really help to run a race sim on a non representative set of settings? esp. in the last year of a ruleset?

I think this is related to the fact that the most important thing for Ferrari now is not the result as an absolute, but the work of the tires and the new suspension together, Leclerc, in my opinion, used the low ERS deployment mode on 3 or maybe 2 segments of the race simulation

Can you really tell how deg is looking if you deliberately drive slowly and dont deploy out of traction corners?

I can't say, the team knows better, but for 3 segments of the race, he was clearly driving on a low ERS mode, he was coasting a lot at the end of the straights, then towards the end of the straight his speed dropped

[Macklaren]

So LEC really ran the last stint on a lower engine mode.

Possible but WHY? does it really help to run a race sim on a non representative set of settings? esp. in the last year of a ruleset?

Teams do this all the time, even on race weekends of the very last race of the season. Go check fp2 of Abu Dhabi 2023 for example. Leclerc fakes a tyre deg at the end of the stint compared to McLaren and everyone expected McLaren to be faster in the race.

He then goes on to beat both McLarens and have better/very similar race pace.

McLaren could well be sandbagging even more, but WHY is not the right question

yes, in the last race of the season to hide their hand. not when they are testing a brand new suspension setup in the car in pre season

[Venturiation]

We asked Marko about today's Ferrari;

His answer: “Ferrari was fast today but Max hasn’t been on track yet.”




We are back

[hollus]

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So LEC really ran the last stint on a lower engine mode.

Possible but WHY? does it really help to run a race sim on a non representative set of settings? esp. in the last year of a ruleset?

They did it in 2024 testing as well

[taperoo2k]

Possible but WHY? does it really help to run a race sim on a non representative set of settings? esp. in the last year of a ruleset?

Teams do this all the time, even on race weekends of the very last race of the season. Go check fp2 of Abu Dhabi 2023 for example. Leclerc fakes a tyre deg at the end of the stint compared to McLaren and everyone expected McLaren to be faster in the race.

He then goes on to beat both McLarens and have better/very similar race pace.

McLaren could well be sandbagging even more, but WHY is not the right question

yes, in the last race of the season to hide their hand. not when they are testing a brand new suspension setup in the car in pre season

It's precisely what I expected Ferrari would be doing, running through different setups and parameters to understand the new suspension design. Then coming up with solutions to any problems they might have encountered and feeding that into the car that rolls out of the pitlane in FP1 in a few weeks.