2017 Singapore Grand Prix - 1st lap crash discussion

[WaikeCU]

This is madness... pointing the finger at Max? Really? Him running into Kimi? Last I checked was Kimi slightly going to the right. There was still a car width space on his left. Meanwhile Seb decides to swerve towards the left to cover Max. Little did Seb know Max car/wheel/front wing was already alongside his car. If you check Max's onboard, you could see him desperately trying to back off out of it. Check his rev counter on his steering wheel. Nuff said.

- Shame for Fernando, He would have been third after turn 1 and 2, which would have put him into a great finish.
- Good stuff from Sainz, coming in 4th
- Despite losing his seat for next season, at last a great finish for Palmer in 6th
- Stoffel showing great speed and com posure in 7th.
- Happy for Stroll.
- What on earth were the strategist of Williams doing with Massa and what on earth were they doing at Sauber with Wehrlein? Both on Wets when others were on Inters and waiting the track to dry up for Ultras.

[Shrieker]

What we need is an straight on looking overhead shot (was shown on sky post race) where you can easily see raikkonen turning into verstappen after he's half way trough, and that was what triggered the whole scenario.

That, and Vettel's squeeze. Max had absolutely nowhere to go, tried backing out. He's the least responsible party in this mess.

[Juzh]

What we need is an straight on looking overhead shot (was shown on sky post race) where you can easily see raikkonen turning into verstappen after he's half way trough, and that was what triggered the whole scenario.

yeah, watched that on youtube. RAI steers into VES and makes contact with VES and then VET hit by VES and collected by RAI.

But still VET played a big role in this, and without the apparent chop he might have come out of it unscathed...
or the whole thing might not have happened at all, because VES would have had more space on the left to circumnavigate RAI.

Basically this. Vettel is to blame somewhat but not 100% as many would quickly try to falsely point out. Also because of this and because it was a wet race start probably nothing will be done by the fia and will be deemed a racing incident.

[Moose]

So, I just got up, and watched this... Frankly, anyone who thinks this is anyone other than Vettel's fault is a raving lunatic.

That said, I do think that Vettel had a semi-reasonable excuse. While he know that Max was there he probably had no idea that Kimi was there too. He probably thought he could squeeze max all the way to the wall with no issues.

[PlatinumZealot]

100% vettel's fault. Vettel was too obsessed with coming out of turn 1 in the lead and not thinking about the championship. The same sort of impulsive behaviour we saw in Bakue and Mexico last year. Fast but immature driver.

[Juzh]

100% vettel's fault. Vettel was too obsessed with coming out of turn 1 in the lead and not thinking about the championship. The same sort of impulsive behaviour we saw in Bakue and Mexico last year. Fast but immature driver.

Got any clips, pictures or anything to present with such a bold claim? Didn't think so.

[bonjon1979]

Clearly Hamilton's fault.

[TwanV]

I was a bit disgusted by Ferrari 's twitter account blaming verstappen.. I have a feeling they're scared about the penalty points or something ... Very boring race as a result. Well done HAM, SAI and VAN though

[TAG]

[NathanOlder]

What we need is an straight on looking overhead shot (was shown on sky post race) where you can easily see raikkonen turning into verstappen after he's half way trough, and that was what triggered the whole scenario.

On the Kimi Onboard, the gap between kimis front left and the painted line on the edge of the track looked to stay the same throughout all of it. So i don't feel kimi hardly moved right.

[smellybeard]

...and because it was a wet race start probably nothing will be done by the fia and will be deemed a racing incident.

Putting my cynical hat on for a second, I think that given the decision to start the race without a safety car period first, the stewards will conclude that the conditions were not a major contributing factor.

[Shrieker]

While he know that Max was there he probably had no idea that Kimi was there too. He probably thought he could squeeze max all the way to the wall with no issues.

I concur.

[TAG]

100% vettel's fault. Vettel was too obsessed with coming out of turn 1 in the lead and not thinking about the championship. The same sort of impulsive behaviour we saw in Bakue and Mexico last year. Fast but immature driver.

Got any clips, pictures or anything to present with such a bold claim? Didn't think so.

Eye wide open is his bold claim. I know you're not particularly happy with the results. I'm really gutted for you, but Vettel is 100% at fault for getting punted out of the race. Would he have kept his nose clean, not unessesarily try to squeeze Verstappen, he's not even have been touched, maybe even Verstappen and Kimi would have been fine. Did he know he was going to get involved? No. Should he have known better especially being in a championship hunt where he could have walked away with the leadership today? Yeah, it was a classic Seb choke.

It's that red mist

[Juzh]

What we need is an straight on looking overhead shot (was shown on sky post race) where you can easily see raikkonen turning into verstappen after he's half way trough, and that was what triggered the whole scenario.

On the Kimi Onboard, the gap between kimis front left and the painted line on the edge of the track looked to stay the same throughout all of it. So i don't feel kimi hardly moved right.

You can see he even flicks the wheel just minorily to the right, which is enough to make contact. It's much clearer from the head on shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui_HzXwnpnw

If anyone Rai should take the most blame. When people say 100% vettel's fault you know they have an agenda or didn't even watch the replays.

[Shrieker]

What we need is an straight on looking overhead shot (was shown on sky post race) where you can easily see raikkonen turning into verstappen after he's half way trough, and that was what triggered the whole scenario.

On the Kimi Onboard, the gap between kimis front left and the painted line on the edge of the track looked to stay the same throughout all of it. So i don't feel kimi hardly moved right.

Well, feelings shouldn't come into things like this dontcha think I had a look at Kimi's onboard multiple times, and while it looks like the gap from his left front to the white line stays the same, the very last moment(s) before the contact his steering wheel starts turning right ever so slightly. Until someone does a slow mo and/or frame by frame dissection, it's hard to say for %100 sure. But atm it looks to me as if he started moving to the right before contact occurred.