No body requires anyone too drive and never has.
We had this nosecone on the head thing at IndyCar, without halo. His head did rotate away! Snapped his neck in the process.Bence wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 01:44The halo is a latent potential killer.
As long as the gap between the arc of the halo and the cockpit is large enough to trap a nosecone and guide it towards the head/helmet of the driver, there is no such thing as protection in this case. Either the head rotates away, or the nose parks in right through the visor.
I was using require in its sense of needing or expecting, not commanding or instructing. I well no that no body, or nobody, forces them.
Justin Wilson died of traumatic brain injuries, not because of a snapped neck...Jolle wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 11:18We had this nosecone on the head thing at IndyCar, without halo. His head did rotate away! Snapped his neck in the process.Bence wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 01:44The halo is a latent potential killer.
As long as the gap between the arc of the halo and the cockpit is large enough to trap a nosecone and guide it towards the head/helmet of the driver, there is no such thing as protection in this case. Either the head rotates away, or the nose parks in right through the visor.
Even I have a hard time picturing that one. Are our noses pointy enough to fit between the HALO and the cowl?Bence wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:44 pm
The halo is a latent potential killer.
As long as the gap between the arc of the halo and the cockpit is large enough to trap a nosecone and guide it towards the head/helmet of the driver, there is no such thing as protection in this case. Either the head rotates away, or the nose parks in right through the visor.
If, after a big accident I’m in the opposite direction with cars flying towards me, I definitely want a halo!!Bence wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 21:31Justin Wilson died of traumatic brain injuries, not because of a snapped neck...Jolle wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 11:18We had this nosecone on the head thing at IndyCar, without halo. His head did rotate away! Snapped his neck in the process.Bence wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 01:44The halo is a latent potential killer.
As long as the gap between the arc of the halo and the cockpit is large enough to trap a nosecone and guide it towards the head/helmet of the driver, there is no such thing as protection in this case. Either the head rotates away, or the nose parks in right through the visor.
But imagine when you sit in the car, you are stationery after the accident and the other car comes from the opposite direction at an angle, goes airborne and would normally fly over your head, but the halo catches the nosecone, the nose slides under the halo and your fate is sealed. Nowhere to go, your pupils go wide as time slows down in the moment of the accident and you realize, that was it. It can be a freakishly low speed accident, but the forces are enough to twist or crack a neck or skull.
The HANS would offer considerable protection for a driver's neck, it would have to be a very freakish accident for a driver to suffer a broken neck, let alone a fatal (or even paralysing) spinal injury....not saying it couldn't happen, but it is unlikely in the extreme.Bence wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 21:31Justin Wilson died of traumatic brain injuries, not because of a snapped neck...Jolle wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 11:18We had this nosecone on the head thing at IndyCar, without halo. His head did rotate away! Snapped his neck in the process.Bence wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 01:44The halo is a latent potential killer.
As long as the gap between the arc of the halo and the cockpit is large enough to trap a nosecone and guide it towards the head/helmet of the driver, there is no such thing as protection in this case. Either the head rotates away, or the nose parks in right through the visor.
But imagine when you sit in the car, you are stationery after the accident and the other car comes from the opposite direction at an angle, goes airborne and would normally fly over your head, but the halo catches the nosecone, the nose slides under the halo and your fate is sealed. Nowhere to go, your pupils go wide as time slows down in the moment of the accident and you realize, that was it. It can be a freakishly low speed accident, but the forces are enough to twist or crack a neck or skull.
adrianjordan wrote: ↑13 Dec 2018, 14:19The HANS would offer considerable protection for a driver's neck, it would have to be a very freakish accident for a driver to suffer a broken neck, let alone a fatal (or even paralysing) spinal injury....not saying it couldn't happen, but it is unlikely in the extreme.Bence wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 21:31Justin Wilson died of traumatic brain injuries, not because of a snapped neck...
But imagine when you sit in the car, you are stationery after the accident and the other car comes from the opposite direction at an angle, goes airborne and would normally fly over your head, but the halo catches the nosecone, the nose slides under the halo and your fate is sealed. Nowhere to go, your pupils go wide as time slows down in the moment of the accident and you realize, that was it. It can be a freakishly low speed accident, but the forces are enough to twist or crack a neck or skull.
As for head injuries, that's what helmets are for. I don't know, but I suspect there is a lot of ongoing research into improving the protection offered by the helmets.
Of course the best solution in your example would be a HALO with screens in between the chassis and the upper bar...but then you have issues of visual distortion that the drivers don't seem to be able to cope with.
yes halo isn't 100% is it, and yes i bet FIA are watching the Indy screen. but in probability terms Halo is more effective than you might think at first glance: not many things will miss the centre strut completely and yet hit the helmet at all square. Most things will at least partly hit the centre strut or glance off the rounded side of the helmetFW17 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2019, 14:40Today the debris flying around made quiet an impact.
Wonder if FIA will further improve on the halo
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