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[PapayaFan481]

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And completely missing the fact that LH did really do this, put MV into the wall.

You mean when Max cut across the front of Lewis at Silverstone instead of letting Lewis outbreak himself and go off all on his own while Max would have carried on his merry way?

My point was that GR was injudicious bringing 2021 into his current position, given that LH concluding his term at MB is more of the focus this weekend.

In any case, you clearly don't know it's not a "braking" ( that's the correct word instead of "breaking") corner for anything like being realistic in your description.

There's no point in any debate in that here, only that GR seems to want anything he can find pitched in to further his own selfish outlook.

Thanks for the correction, I've edited my post now. And I do know the difference, so no need to be quite so condescending, I just failed to proof read before posting.

As for that corner being a braking corner, Red Bull themselves sent their reserve driver out to prove that Lewis would not have made the corner, ergo he would have outbraked himself.

So either Red Bull were lying or I'm correct, which is it?

[Watto]

You mean when Max cut across the front of Lewis at Silverstone instead of letting Lewis outbreak himself and go off all on his own while Max would have carried on his merry way?

My point was that GR was injudicious bringing 2021 into his current position, given that LH concluding his term at MB is more of the focus this weekend.

In any case, you clearly don't know it's not a "braking" ( that's the correct word instead of "breaking") corner for anything like being realistic in your description.

There's no point in any debate in that here, only that GR seems to want anything he can find pitched in to further his own selfish outlook.

Thanks for the correction, I've edited my post now. And I do know the difference, so no need to be quite so condescending, I just failed to proof read before posting.

As for that corner being a braking corner, Red Bull themselves sent their reserve driver out to prove that Lewis would not have made the corner, ergo he would have outbraked himself.

So either Red Bull were lying or I'm correct, which is it?

Max took the racing line. The line everyone would take into that corner. Earlier in this thread you said if Max didn't do anything wrong he would not have gotten a penalty. But now its Max cut in front of Lewis even though Lewis got a penalty?

Max took the corner like I think ever other driver in that situation would have.

That all being said I don't think it was as bad a move as some Max fans try and make it out esp for a first lap - if it was 5-10+ laps in I would say it was pretty poor on Lewis's part but was poorly judged first laps coldish tyres probably a little to much speed who knows if he would have made it but I doubt there is a top driver on the grid that would take the wait and see approach.

[Farnborough]

You mean when Max cut across the front of Lewis at Silverstone instead of letting Lewis outbreak himself and go off all on his own while Max would have carried on his merry way?

My point was that GR was injudicious bringing 2021 into his current position, given that LH concluding his term at MB is more of the focus this weekend.

In any case, you clearly don't know it's not a "braking" ( that's the correct word instead of "breaking") corner for anything like being realistic in your description.

There's no point in any debate in that here, only that GR seems to want anything he can find pitched in to further his own selfish outlook.

Thanks for the correction, I've edited my post now. And I do know the difference, so no need to be quite so condescending, I just failed to proof read before posting.

As for that corner being a braking corner, Red Bull themselves sent their reserve driver out to prove that Lewis would not have made the corner, ergo he would have outbraked himself.

So either Red Bull were lying or I'm correct, which is it?

My point, I'll state again for clarity, is that GR is intentionally (I think injudiciously) adding LH driving scenario to his own limited "beef" with MV.
Claiming a clearer than clean spring water record for LH, which would be true i believe, if you were to dismiss his notable ability to punt a direct championship challenger out of a race. Both Rosberg, for which he was sanctioned in his own team, and Verstappen.
This to invoke, by proxy, events that GR has nothing to do with, in now rolling out a historical dislike to "enforce" some sort of action in control of Verstappen currently.

If you can't read and absorb the context of that, in relevance to current situation, there's no real debate in any sensible way to be located here.

Yes, condescending intentionally, at least you can spell that. You've not taken the point I've put in debate to further discuss it. Merely a personal perspective of interaction to me, that's not of interest in this thread, to anyone.

GR is setting himself as police, lawyer, judge etc against Verstappen, then moaning about the interaction and language used. A little like you are too.

[Juzh]

Why y'all replying to spamming troll?

[f1isgood]

My point was that GR was injudicious bringing 2021 into his current position, given that LH concluding his term at MB is more of the focus this weekend.

In any case, you clearly don't know it's not a "braking" ( that's the correct word instead of "breaking") corner for anything like being realistic in your description.

There's no point in any debate in that here, only that GR seems to want anything he can find pitched in to further his own selfish outlook.

Thanks for the correction, I've edited my post now. And I do know the difference, so no need to be quite so condescending, I just failed to proof read before posting.

As for that corner being a braking corner, Red Bull themselves sent their reserve driver out to prove that Lewis would not have made the corner, ergo he would have outbraked himself.

So either Red Bull were lying or I'm correct, which is it?

Max took the racing line. The line everyone would take into that corner. Earlier in this thread you said if Max didn't do anything wrong he would not have gotten a penalty. But now its Max cut in front of Lewis even though Lewis got a penalty?

Max took the corner like I think ever other driver in that situation would have.

That all being said I don't think it was as bad a move as some Max fans try and make it out esp for a first lap - if it was 5-10+ laps in I would say it was pretty poor on Lewis's part but was poorly judged first laps coldish tyres probably a little to much speed who knows if he would have made it but I doubt there is a top driver on the grid that would take the wait and see approach.

I think the following are all true:
1 They both raced aggressively
2 The WDC was slipping away from Hamilton because of his poor performances -- see Monaco/Baku/Austria in the buildup to this race
3 Verstappen left enough room on the inside for Hamilton to hit the apex.
4 Hamilton took a suboptimal line to hit the apex since he dived down the inside of the Verstappen in the straight leading up to Copse.
5 Hamilton and every driver knows that these cars will understeer on high fuel and cold tires
6 Hamilton was never going to hit the apex as a consequence of 3 and 4

The penalty was fine for the error committed (It was a car understeering on cold tires in lap one) and Hamilton was mostly at fault. I use the word mostly because they were aggressive from the get go and aggressive racing leads to such incidents.

That said, I think Hamilton made a poor judgement because it was Silverstone and his generally bad bid to retain the WDC title thanks to his own poor performance.

Anyways the original point was about Russell ignoring the actual issue at hand -- whatever he did in the Stewards room that rubbed Verstappen wrong -- in fact so wrong according to Verstappen that he went on a full on media complaint.

Russell didn't even address this and waffled about every incident in the book. Now that's when you know someone is acting a bit weird when they go on a tirade instead of addressing the point at hand -- the steward incident.

[marcel171281]

seriously, this discussion again? Which is obviously going nowhere again... Please go to X or some other platform.

[Sergej]

Car is a dog

[PapayaFan481]

My point was that GR was injudicious bringing 2021 into his current position, given that LH concluding his term at MB is more of the focus this weekend.

In any case, you clearly don't know it's not a "braking" ( that's the correct word instead of "breaking") corner for anything like being realistic in your description.

There's no point in any debate in that here, only that GR seems to want anything he can find pitched in to further his own selfish outlook.

Thanks for the correction, I've edited my post now. And I do know the difference, so no need to be quite so condescending, I just failed to proof read before posting.

As for that corner being a braking corner, Red Bull themselves sent their reserve driver out to prove that Lewis would not have made the corner, ergo he would have outbraked himself.

So either Red Bull were lying or I'm correct, which is it?

My point, I'll state again for clarity, is that GR is intentionally (I think injudiciously) adding LH driving scenario to his own limited "beef" with MV.
Claiming a clearer than clean spring water record for LH, which would be true i believe, if you were to dismiss his notable ability to punt a direct championship challenger out of a race. Both Rosberg, for which he was sanctioned in his own team, and Verstappen.
This to invoke, by proxy, events that GR has nothing to do with, in now rolling out a historical dislike to "enforce" some sort of action in control of Verstappen currently.

If you can't read and absorb the context of that, in relevance to current situation, there's no real debate in any sensible way to be located here.

Yes, condescending intentionally, at least you can spell that. You've not taken the point I've put in debate to further discuss it. Merely a personal perspective of interaction to me, that's not of interest in this thread, to anyone.

GR is setting himself as police, lawyer, judge etc against Verstappen, then moaning about the interaction and language used. A little like you are too.

In a court of law, lawyers will bring in previous behaviour to build a picture of the character of a person.

That is what George is doing here. Showing a pattern of actions that is indicative of the behaviour of a bully.

[Rikhart]

Why y'all replying to spamming troll?

This x1000.

[Rikhart]

On another note, did they not go for quick laps, or is this really what the car has in this track? Didn't watch FP2, just looked at timing.

[Cs98]

Thanks for the correction, I've edited my post now. And I do know the difference, so no need to be quite so condescending, I just failed to proof read before posting.

As for that corner being a braking corner, Red Bull themselves sent their reserve driver out to prove that Lewis would not have made the corner, ergo he would have outbraked himself.

So either Red Bull were lying or I'm correct, which is it?

My point, I'll state again for clarity, is that GR is intentionally (I think injudiciously) adding LH driving scenario to his own limited "beef" with MV.
Claiming a clearer than clean spring water record for LH, which would be true i believe, if you were to dismiss his notable ability to punt a direct championship challenger out of a race. Both Rosberg, for which he was sanctioned in his own team, and Verstappen.
This to invoke, by proxy, events that GR has nothing to do with, in now rolling out a historical dislike to "enforce" some sort of action in control of Verstappen currently.

If you can't read and absorb the context of that, in relevance to current situation, there's no real debate in any sensible way to be located here.

Yes, condescending intentionally, at least you can spell that. You've not taken the point I've put in debate to further discuss it. Merely a personal perspective of interaction to me, that's not of interest in this thread, to anyone.

GR is setting himself as police, lawyer, judge etc against Verstappen, then moaning about the interaction and language used. A little like you are too.

In a court of law, lawyers will bring in previous behaviour to build a picture of the character of a person.

That is what George is doing here. Showing a pattern of actions that is indicative of the behaviour of a bully.

Actually you don't get to just bring in whatever evidence you like to a court room. Things that are not directly relevant to the case but could be perceived as prejudicial are often not allowed, and for good reason. You are trying to ajudicate a specific situation, if both sides are just going to bring in a laundry list of other situations trying to smear the character of the other side that is not conducive to justice in the specific case that is being decided. You can smear George too. Remember what his first instinct was when he caused a super dangerous crash with Valtteri at Imola? He went up to Valtteri as he was in the car, shouted in his face, and slapped him in the head, after a high G crash. Is it a pattern of behaviour with George that he causes dangerous situations and blames the other side, tries to get them penalised? Could be perceived that way.

That's why you don't bring in other irrelevant situations if you aren't trying to character assassinate.

[marcel171281]

Why y'all replying to spamming troll?

This x1000.

x100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[FittingMechanics]

On another note, did they not go for quick laps, or is this really what the car has in this track? Didn't watch FP2, just looked at timing.

The car was not turning. Max did a lot of work trying to dial that out but doesn't look like they found a solution in the session. I'm sure they will be faster tomorrow.

[Wouter]

Formu1a Uno reports that Lawson will partner Verstappen next season

Red Bull is negotiating the exit of Perez, who can count on a very significant penalty. Monday shareholder meeting. The other choices have already been made: Lawson would be Verstappen's teammate, Hadjar in Racing Bulls

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I've read the whole article and nowhere is mentioned "Lawson would be Verstappen's teammate, Hadjar in Racing Bulls".

https://autoracer.it/it/lawson-mi-sento ... mi-stimola

[organic]

Formu1a Uno reports that Lawson will partner Verstappen next season

Red Bull is negotiating the exit of Perez, who can count on a very significant penalty. Monday shareholder meeting. The other choices have already been made: Lawson would be Verstappen's teammate, Hadjar in Racing Bulls

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I've read the whole article and nowhere is mentioned "Lawson would be Verstappen's teammate, Hadjar in Racing Bulls".

https://autoracer.it/it/lawson-mi-sento ... mi-stimola

Indeed. But the journalist themself is saying it in the tweet.. and they represent formu1a uno.

Fwiw Erik van Haren also reports that Lawson is the one in pole to take the red bull seat