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thomin wrote:I have a question regarding the DRD. It sounds to me a lot like a passive F-Duct. Mercedes was running one in 2010, so I wonder whether that could give them an edge here. I seem to remember Brawn saying that it was a mistake to put so much effort into the passive F-Duct, because it took them the whole season to make it work properly. That could be beneficial now however.

AFAIK, the passive F-Duct was all within the rear wing of the car, so there is a fundamental difference to the DRD. But I would imagine that the hardest part is to tune the device so that it's activated at precisely the point you need it. But the same problem applies to the passive F-Duct. So could Mercedes' experience with the passive F-Duct help them now, or is this so different that they'll have to start from scratch again? Because if they can't fall back on their old data, I really wonder if this DRD is worth the effort as nobody but Lotus seems to think it's a path worth exploring...
Sory but your'e wrong. Mercedes couldn't find performances in other areas, specialy when car was hard on tires, also it lacked aero devolopment, so they tried to make effort in that particular area. In other hand Lotus had performances in some hand, and they tried to find gain in that area, specialy when they knowed how much they have lost raw power from engine after coanda exaust. It was worth the risk for them specialy when they knowed DDRS is banned next season. I dont know if other teams decide to use such system specialy when is hard to tune the device, but if Lotus succeeded it will gain them nice advantage. Red Bull tried similar concept of DRD, but it looked similar how DDRS worked. You know Red Bull started winning races and win championship after they maked DDRS, so i think it's worth the effort.

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Also new seamless rear break ducts in addition to the front ones ...
And there is a diagonal slit on their RW endplates ... is there any resemblance with the vertical ones on F138 RW endplates?
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atanatizante wrote:Also new seamless rear break ducts in addition to the front ones ...
And there is a diagonal slit on their RW endplates ... is there any resemblance with the vertical ones on F138 RW endplates?
That's just tape not a slot

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F1 test - Barcelona T02 - day 2

Flow vis run
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I am shocked to see them running conventional exhausts today. They don't seem to be getting enough advantage from the semi conda setup.Image

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ak21_rao wrote:I am shocked to see them running conventional exhausts today. They don't seem to be getting enough advantage from the semi conda setup.http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/02/20/2 ... /_mg_8749/
No, they did only run the the conventional one to make a comparison of the temperature, especially for the tire deg.

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ak21_rao wrote:I am shocked to see them running conventional exhausts today. They don't seem to be getting enough advantage from the semi conda setup.http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/02/20/2 ... /_mg_8749/
They could just be evaluating flow around the side pods..The use of 2012 exhausts would help reduce the exhaust gases effect on the flow as they were effectively blowing the beam wing..Could help air flow comparisons in both the exhaust versions.

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ak21_rao wrote:I am shocked to see them running conventional exhausts today. They don't seem to be getting enough advantage from the semi conda setup.
they specifically said they will be using the old-exhausts at one point in time to have them as a reference and baseline for comparison with the Coanda exhaust. calm down

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andrewf1 wrote:
ak21_rao wrote:I am shocked to see them running conventional exhausts today. They don't seem to be getting enough advantage from the semi conda setup.
they specifically said they will be using the old-exhausts at one point in time to have them as a reference and baseline for comparison with the Coanda exhaust. calm down
Correct, they will use the 2013 version later this day. It's just to compare, nothing more.
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I believe that Merc will come up with a williams style solution. But they cover the exhaust ramp IN FRONT of the exhaust hole. You cann se this in the picture above, which seems to be a hybrid version of the conventional an coanda version. So they install a flow conditioner for the exhaust which should be allowed as it does not effect the direction of the exhaust gases AFTER they exit the pipes.

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The flow-vis is incredible news, and is the first that I can remember Mercedes ever using.
First pitot-sensors and now flow-vis. These are good signs that this team is moving forwards.

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I'm not convinced you that it discharges mercedes is an old configuration.
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Mercedes switched back to the Coanda Exhaust already.
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