2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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The clown strategists moved from the Ferrari garage to the McLaren garage

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Only positive we can take from this is that continuation of these strategy mistakes will lead the team to improve. Imagine if this was a close fought championship fight and we end up losing so many races due to mistakes.

But at the same time, maybe it would be close if the execution was slightly better.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 19:47
Only positive we can take from this is that continuation of these strategy mistakes will lead the team to improve. Imagine if this was a close fought championship fight and we end up losing so many races due to mistakes.

But at the same time, maybe it would be close if the execution was slightly better.
It is a close fought championship, we are losing it.

We had every chance of both titles and we are wasting it.
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mwillems wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 19:49
FittingMechanics wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 19:47
Only positive we can take from this is that continuation of these strategy mistakes will lead the team to improve. Imagine if this was a close fought championship fight and we end up losing so many races due to mistakes.

But at the same time, maybe it would be close if the execution was slightly better.
It is a close fought championship, we are losing it.

We had every chance of both titles and we are wasting it.
Now imagine that in two weeks, when half the season is already behind us, McLaren is working on the mistakes at the team’s factory, releasing further updates for the car and stopping making mistakes, and Lando and Oscar will start bringing home victories. In that case, McLaren will quickly score points. At the end of the season, we can expect victory in the constructors’ championship, and Lando will be able to reduce the gap to Max. Oh yes, dreams, dreams.

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CjC wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 18:21
I think Landos post race interview on Sky sums up everything for me
For those who can view it, this is the interview I’m referring to

https://www.skysports.com/f1/video/3099 ... british-gp
Just a fan's point of view

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LionsHeart wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 19:57
mwillems wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 19:49
FittingMechanics wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 19:47
Only positive we can take from this is that continuation of these strategy mistakes will lead the team to improve. Imagine if this was a close fought championship fight and we end up losing so many races due to mistakes.

But at the same time, maybe it would be close if the execution was slightly better.
It is a close fought championship, we are losing it.

We had every chance of both titles and we are wasting it.
Now imagine that in two weeks, when half the season is already behind us, McLaren is working on the mistakes at the team’s factory, releasing further updates for the car and stopping making mistakes, and Lando and Oscar will start bringing home victories. In that case, McLaren will quickly score points. At the end of the season, we can expect victory in the constructors’ championship, and Lando will be able to reduce the gap to Max. Oh yes, dreams, dreams.
If that happens I will celebrate. But I can't celebrate the eggs that haven't been laid yet.

This is where we are today.
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Norris overshot his pitbox on the final stop which caused his 4.5 second stop (2-2.5 seconds slower than typical).

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It also damaged his race. Considering that the gap to Hamilton when he got back on track was 2.5 seconds, this mistake cost him potentially the position, and definitely the DRS to Hamilton.

Drivers simply have to execute if they want to win races. The fault is not all with Mclaren strategist.
A lion must kill its prey.

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mwillems wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 20:13
LionsHeart wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 19:57
mwillems wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 19:49


It is a close fought championship, we are losing it.

We had every chance of both titles and we are wasting it.
Now imagine that in two weeks, when half the season is already behind us, McLaren is working on the mistakes at the team’s factory, releasing further updates for the car and stopping making mistakes, and Lando and Oscar will start bringing home victories. In that case, McLaren will quickly score points. At the end of the season, we can expect victory in the constructors’ championship, and Lando will be able to reduce the gap to Max. Oh yes, dreams, dreams.
If that happens I will celebrate. But I can't celebrate the eggs that haven't been laid yet.

This is where we are today.
Yes, and for now there is. Well, let's see how the team can come back, like a Phoenix.

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AR3-GP wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 20:16
Norris overshot his pitbox on the final stop which caused his 4.5 second stop (2-2.5 seconds slower than typical).

https://i.postimg.cc/wvSxJ27J/image.png

It also damaged his race. Considering that the gap to Hamilton when he got back on track was 2.5 seconds, this mistake cost him potentially the position, and definitely the DRS to Hamilton.

Drivers simply have to execute if they want to win races. The fault is not all with Mclaren strategist.
There were mistakes on Lando's part and on the team's part. There were a lot of mistakes. We need to let this go through us, cross ourselves, and hope that this will not happen again. Let them discuss everything at the briefing after the race. This season may already be lost, although mathematically not all is lost. But what is certain is that this season is turning out to be a training session for 2025, when the team should enter the championship fight from the first race.

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I think the post is more about bursting the delusion of some on here that all the blame is on the team when the blame is split between team and driver, and probably not far off from 60/40.
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https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/our- ... n-drought/

What most of us in this forum said. Is strange that the McLaren strategy team is worst than "amateurs" like us.

"McLaren will be kicking itself for cramming in so many strategic missteps into one grand prix.

Yes, it was a chaotic race that put the pitwalls under pressure, but McLaren’s calls looked wrong in the moment, not just with hindsight.

Not stacking the cars on the first stops, leaving Norris out for an extra lap when the weather changed again, then taking softs on Norris’s car when he had new mediums available - even Hamilton was able to identify at least two of those mistakes by the time he made it to the cooldown room before the podium.

I guess the team will put it down to learning how to make those decisions in the pressure cooker of racing for the win. But that’s a generous assessment."

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AR3-GP wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 20:16
Norris overshot his pitbox on the final stop which caused his 4.5 second stop (2-2.5 seconds slower than typical).

https://i.postimg.cc/wvSxJ27J/image.png

It also damaged his race. Considering that the gap to Hamilton when he got back on track was 2.5 seconds, this mistake cost him potentially the position, and definitely the DRS to Hamilton.

Drivers simply have to execute if they want to win races. The fault is not all with Mclaren strategist.
Yes, I noticed that too. Strategists do take blame for wasting a solid 1-2 finish today on home soil. But Lando has a tendency to mess things up when it matters most. Don’t get me wrong, I like Lando. But I’m sure Max would be leading the championship in that McLaren. It has been the best car on the grid for quite a while now.

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McL-H wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 20:28
AR3-GP wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 20:16
Norris overshot his pitbox on the final stop which caused his 4.5 second stop (2-2.5 seconds slower than typical).

https://i.postimg.cc/wvSxJ27J/image.png

It also damaged his race. Considering that the gap to Hamilton when he got back on track was 2.5 seconds, this mistake cost him potentially the position, and definitely the DRS to Hamilton.

Drivers simply have to execute if they want to win races. The fault is not all with Mclaren strategist.
Yes, I noticed that too. Strategists do take blame for wasting a solid 1-2 finish today on home soil. But Lando has a tendency to mess things up when it matters most. Don’t get me wrong, I like Lando. But I’m sure Max would be leading the championship in that McLaren. It has been the best car on the grid for quite a while now.
Max would be leading the title? A few say this. I think if Lando didn't have to fight Max in a RB he would likely be winning the title aswell.

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Now hoping Pato can hold on in Anerica!

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Ben1980 wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 18:10
mwillems wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 18:07
Ben1980 wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 18:02


Maybe, but, we still took the lead regardless, and im not sure it would have had a massive impact.
With the time he lost behind Max, he could have been several seconds ahead, which would have meant he would have been in front of Hamilton even with the crazy strategy calls. Yes, he did great later, especially in the changeable conditions, but like the pit wall, you have to be on it for the whole race.
When he got passed Max, he was what 3 seconds behind Lewis. If earlier, it would have dependent on getting past both of them, which was not a given.
Just checked, he was 5.3 seconds behind Russell and 4 seconds behind Hamilton before he started his attack on Max.
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