Mercedes AMG F1 W03 (pre-launch speculation)

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beelsebob wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
beelsebob wrote: 1) Batteries are more dense than even fuel
2) By moving them out the side pod they'll be lowering the radiators, which probably also have a greater density than fuel.

But the batteries don't have a mass of 180kgs however dense they are.
They don't need to – they need to have a higher mass than the same volume of fuel as they take up. The fuel isn't moving up above where it was before – it's moving up above the KERS unit.
So in a roundabout way we are agreed...
More could have been done.
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Wouldn't the front F-duct need two openings? One for the actual air flowing into the front wing and one to do the switching? Or would it just be a spring valve that would open at a certain pressure from the air flow?
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dren wrote:Wouldn't the front F-duct need two openings? One for the actual air flowing into the front wing and one to do the switching? Or would it just be a spring valve that would open at a certain pressure from the air flow?
well it seems bloody complicated, even so that Whitmarsh admitted as "too late to copy it now" in Japan last year!

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
beelsebob wrote:They don't need to – they need to have a higher mass than the same volume of fuel as they take up. The fuel isn't moving up above where it was before – it's moving up above the KERS unit.
So in a roundabout way we are agreed...
Yep, violent agreement that moving KERS batteries down, radiators down, and fuel up is a good plan.

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I repeat:
KERs batteries were already mounted below the fuel tank last year.
http://t.co/3k0g3Oqx

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Timstr wrote:I repeat:
KERs batteries were already mounted below the fuel tank last year.
http://t.co/3k0g3Oqx
The 2009 car was the BrawnGP which did not have KERS.
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beelsebob wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
beelsebob wrote:They don't need to – they need to have a higher mass than the same volume of fuel as they take up. The fuel isn't moving up above where it was before – it's moving up above the KERS unit.
So in a roundabout way we are agreed...
Yep, violent agreement that moving KERS batteries down, radiators down, and fuel up is a good plan.
If the wheelbase is stretched, the fuel will not be moved up, but more likely moved back. The tank can be shorter and longer. The displaced fuel from the battery will likely move rearward. Also, there will be no EBD, so all of that extra fuel they had will not be needed. This should decrease the fuel tank volume.
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dren wrote:
Timstr wrote:I repeat:
KERs batteries were already mounted below the fuel tank last year.
http://t.co/3k0g3Oqx
The 2009 car was the BrawnGP which did not have KERS.
Yes; but in 2009; Mercedes did have a works team in McLaren.
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raymondu999 wrote:
dren wrote:
Timstr wrote:I repeat:
KERs batteries were already mounted below the fuel tank last year.
http://t.co/3k0g3Oqx
The 2009 car was the BrawnGP which did not have KERS.
Yes; but in 2009; Mercedes did have a works team in McLaren.
Referring to McLaren as the former MBz works team is a great way to annoy both McLaren and Mercedes fans. McLaren had a close relationship with MBz, but it was never their "works" team.

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The 2009 car was the BrawnGP which did not have KERS.[/quote]
Yes; but in 2009; Mercedes did have a works team in McLaren.[/quote]

Referring to McLaren as the former MBz works team is a great way to annoy both McLaren and Mercedes fans. McLaren had a close relationship with MBz, but it was never their "works" team.[/quote]

Your missing the point, the fact mclaren used the mercedes kers in 09 and they were in fact the works team, kinda how red bull is renaults, only the mclaren merc relationship was stronger

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53 pages...is there something about this car that I'm not understanding here, what's the buzz? Is it the front wing F-Duct theorised from last year?

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King Six wrote:53 pages...is there something about this car that I'm not understanding here, what's the buzz? Is it the front wing F-Duct theorised from last year?
The Mercedes threads seem to be the most popular throughout the season, I've observed.
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scuderiafan wrote:
King Six wrote:53 pages...is there something about this car that I'm not understanding here, what's the buzz? Is it the front wing F-Duct theorised from last year?
The Mercedes threads seem to be the most popular throughout the season, I've observed.
s/popular/contentious/. It seems to be the Lewis Hamilton of teams around here, always someone willing to slag them off or defend them to the death.

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I guess this sums up expectations so far

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