[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[Bill]

In first part of q3 Max just went out and put a lap that was 0.5 tenth faster than Mercedes it took them 3 lap tip toeing around to build up heat if it was in the race Max would be long gone like in Germany last year during each safety car incident.Max and Gasly was a little unlucky with timing Gasly would hv been around p4 & Max would have fought for pole.

[Pyrone89]

Dont think so, if you look how much wheelspin he had vs W11 it was always an uphill battle.

[Bill]

Probably the first part of q3 he had a chance but towards the end the rain intensified and the car became tail happy ,b4 the dying moment Rbr was quite competitive.i think Newey just want to build the car he likes they trust Max will just drive it they don't go into detail on stability side and that hurt second driver.

[tangodjango]

In first part of q3 Max just went out and put a lap that was 0.5 tenth faster than Mercedes it took them 3 lap tip toeing around to build up heat if it was in the race Max would be long gone like in Germany last year during each safety car incident.Max and Gasly was a little unlucky with timing Gasly would hv been around p4 & Max would have fought for pole.

This cracked me up. You mean Lewis built up his laps up gradually so that he could extract maximum tyre performance when it mattered most while Max burnt his tires setting not so meaningful fastest laps early on? Some of the comments on this thread are truly mind boggling including godlameroso trying to give a backhanded "compliment" at Lewis's "tricks" because nuance is something reserved only for the RBR lead drivers underperformance while when the reigning champion does it only because of his car.

[Bill]

Merc also has advantage of Das in cooler conditions like today it helps a lot after all they invested a lot of money in it

[tangodjango]

Merc also has advantage of Das in cooler conditions like today it helps a lot after all they invested a lot of money in it

But red bull has better aero and downforce innit? Or are the best chassis and aero claims just hot air (as many widely suspect)

[McMika98]

The car does look a handful to drive but kudos to Hamilton for pulling a stunner in the last lap. Max drove beautifully was instantly on the speed unlike Albon who was always behind and only improved towards end of segment. Max was getting the most of the car it seems but that was not good enough today.

[Pyrone89]

Merc also has advantage of Das in cooler conditions like today it helps a lot after all they invested a lot of money in it

But red bull has better aero and downforce innit?

No

[etusch]

Merc also has advantage of Das in cooler conditions like today it helps a lot after all they invested a lot of money in it

But red bull has better aero and downforce innit?

Accordng to graphics showed during q session Verstappen was best at slow corners. I forget others. But best one at medium and fast corners were mercedes' or replica ones if I am not wrong.
This may be track related. Keeping this aside, I see that Redbull was.slower than mercedes during winter testing and during last season. Maybe (maybe? of course they haf worked) they worked on this part. They still need to work on aero to make it work. If they achieve this Redbull car has potential to beat merso. And yes if car is that level or close Verstappen can make it by beating Hamilton.

[tangodjango]

The opposite can also be said. If the cars are equal in performance Hamilton can also beat Verstappen.
Also I recall people saying if they got on top of setup issues there would be a difference of two-tenths. But by the time Max spun today Lewis was already half a second up. Even if the assumption is the gap between the cars increased due to the wet conditions the conclusion is still the same : even without the spin, under pressure, in truly wet conditions Hamilton could not be matched on performance just like Hockenheim last year where Max put in the best performance.

[tangodjango]

Merc also has advantage of Das in cooler conditions like today it helps a lot after all they invested a lot of money in it

You have no proof of whether DAS was used or what the performance advantage is in the conditions but of course DAS was responsible for the gap. Oh wait I guess they forgot to give Bottas DAS I suppose.

If you had actually watched the onboards you'd have seen that neither of the Mercedes drivers used DAS throughout qualifying, but of course it's easier to make up fabrications to justify one's alternative version of reality.

[etusch]

Merc also has advantage of Das in cooler conditions like today it helps a lot after all they invested a lot of money in it

You have no proof of whether DAS was used or what the performance advantage is in the conditions but of course DAS was responsible for the gap. Oh wait I guess they forgot to give Bottas DAS I suppose.

what are you trying to proof? whatever.
In the world, in a rainy weather there can be a bit heavier rain just for a short time in some area of track and it can cause one of two driver in same lap more time compared to other. So you can not get who drive best who drive in best condition and who has best car just looking q session.

[Fnatic1]

Red Bull seem to struggle in the wet for the past few years. Does the high rake angle not hinder them in the rain as the rear will be a bit trickier to control?

Nothing against the performance of Hamilton, hands down an awesome lap but the Merc seems a lot easier to control in the wet.

[godlameroso]

It's so comedic, how irrational some users can be.

[McMika98]

Don't want to trigger another Hamilton Vs Max debate so I'll say it was Lewis day and he really is a master of rain.
Now just contrast the two laps above down at the same time/ condition. Night and day difference in handling. Max is correcting almost every corners whereas Hamilton is able to just push without worrying about the rear stepping out. Even the Renault and especially the Mclaren appear to handle easily.
This car is really a turd when it comes to rear stability, I think they will struggle in windy conditions as well. Hope they move away from the rake concept.