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I have always felt this way as well but F1 has burned me somewhat. I just don't see how the gaps we saw this year between big 3 and midfield close meaningfully through 2026.
Mclaren will only have 10-15% more WT time than someone like Mercedes and Ferrari. How on earth do you imagine them finding over 1 second in performance relative to the others from that? The timeframe is enormous.
I struggle to see how Mclaren can close quickly. 10% extra WT is not worth 1 second. It would take 10 years if that extra windtunnel time was worth 1 tenth every year.
As rules mature it takes more and more wind tunnel time to find time is my guess. They start moving things around by MMs, while right now they're still moving things by CMs. Last year they had so many projects going on, with the new regs, they probably cut off work early to finish stuff off in time. There is still alot of big gains to be had in these regs. I mean look at the test floor McLaren introduce, it was a major change. I think a few teams got the budgets wrong and had too much money going into the season, Certainly Ferrari appeared that way.
For me the biggest issue is that they're gonna change the regs again in 2026. If we learned anything from 2022 is the teams that have the best processes (the big three) always win out when new regs are introduced.
As far as I know in 2026 the ice and hybrid positioning will all be on fixed mount points, so it’s not a major disadvantage for customers.
I struggle to see how Mclaren can close quickly. 10% extra WT is not worth 1 second. It would take 10 years if that extra windtunnel time was worth 1 tenth every year.
As rules mature it takes more and more wind tunnel time to find time is my guess. They start moving things around by MMs, while right now they're still moving things by CMs. Last year they had so many projects going on, with the new regs, they probably cut off work early to finish stuff off in time. There is still alot of big gains to be had in these regs. I mean look at the test floor McLaren introduce, it was a major change. I think a few teams got the budgets wrong and had too much money going into the season, Certainly Ferrari appeared that way.
For me the biggest issue is that they're gonna change the regs again in 2026. If we learned anything from 2022 is the teams that have the best processes (the big three) always win out when new regs are introduced.
As far as I know in 2026 the ice and hybrid positioning will all be on fixed mount points, so it’s not a major disadvantage for customers.
But once again, the factory team designs the entire power unit around their concept. Look at the exhaust configuration of the new Mercedes. Designed for their aero.
As rules mature it takes more and more wind tunnel time to find time is my guess. They start moving things around by MMs, while right now they're still moving things by CMs. Last year they had so many projects going on, with the new regs, they probably cut off work early to finish stuff off in time. There is still alot of big gains to be had in these regs. I mean look at the test floor McLaren introduce, it was a major change. I think a few teams got the budgets wrong and had too much money going into the season, Certainly Ferrari appeared that way.
For me the biggest issue is that they're gonna change the regs again in 2026. If we learned anything from 2022 is the teams that have the best processes (the big three) always win out when new regs are introduced.
As far as I know in 2026 the ice and hybrid positioning will all be on fixed mount points, so it’s not a major disadvantage for customers.
But once again, the factory team designs the entire power unit around their concept. Look at the exhaust configuration of the new Mercedes. Designed for their aero.
All the lower components of the 2026 ICE are heavily prescribed and standardized, and mostly dimensionally bounded through legality volumes. A lot of the combustion area (upper section) still has a bit of freedom but that's because of the fuel changes. Obviously even within those constraints there is wiggle room, but its nowhere near what these last years have been.
"The positioning of key PU components is more restrictive in the 2026 PU regulations in order to not lock in long-term advantage's or disadvantages. A range of reference volumes has been defined within each PU elements must lie"
- obviously the FIA recognizes the hybrid system is the selling point... other PU manufacturers don't want to enter if they have to develop and package a new ICE, which current teams have developed for years.
Cheers. I had actually read the active aero thread here a while back, but thought it was just wishful thinking, didn't realise it was actually a stated goal of the new regs
He said they are missing something, he never said the car was unpredictable, not sure why you say he's confirming that. The guy he's replying to made that assumption. He only agreed they are missing something, not necessarily predictability.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously.
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.
He said they are missing something, he never said the car was unpredictable, not sure why you say he's confirming that. The guy he's replying to made that assumption. He only agreed they are missing something, not necessarily predictability.
I’m a professional SRE Incident, problem and service level manager (I built my companies IPM department from scratch), finding patterns is what I do, and it’s what engineers do generally. If you Can’t find a pattern to a problem, it’s generally regarded as unpredictable, or at the very least, hard to replicate.
But maybe if some of you guys understood how professionals solve problems, you’d know this:
Ps NOBL9 is one of my vendors (we use them to measure our SaaS application service levels), I don’t work for them.
He said they are missing something, he never said the car was unpredictable, not sure why you say he's confirming that. The guy he's replying to made that assumption. He only agreed they are missing something, not necessarily predictability.
I’m a professional SRE Incident, problem and service level manager (I built my companies IPM department from scratch), finding patterns is what I do, and it’s what engineers do generally. If you Can’t find a pattern to a problem, it’s generally regarded as unpredictable, or at the very least, hard to replicate.
But maybe if some of you guys understood how professionals solve problems, you’d know this:
Ps NOBL9 is one of my vendors (we use them to measure our SaaS application service levels), I don’t work for them.
I've found the pattern... he was slower... maybe should of drove faster?
He said they are missing something, he never said the car was unpredictable, not sure why you say he's confirming that. The guy he's replying to made that assumption. He only agreed they are missing something, not necessarily predictability.
I’m a professional SRE Incident, problem and service level manager (I built my companies IPM department from scratch), finding patterns is what I do, and it’s what engineers do generally. If you Can’t find a pattern to a problem, it’s generally regarded as unpredictable, or at the very least, hard to replicate.
But maybe if some of you guys understood how professionals solve problems, you’d know this:
Ps NOBL9 is one of my vendors (we use them to measure our SaaS application service levels), I don’t work for them.
I've found the pattern... he was slower... maybe should of drove faster?
And yet he’s still won more races for Mclaren than Lando….
I’m a professional SRE Incident, problem and service level manager (I built my companies IPM department from scratch), finding patterns is what I do, and it’s what engineers do generally. If you Can’t find a pattern to a problem, it’s generally regarded as unpredictable, or at the very least, hard to replicate.
But maybe if some of you guys understood how professionals solve problems, you’d know this:
Ps NOBL9 is one of my vendors (we use them to measure our SaaS application service levels), I don’t work for them.
I've found the pattern... he was slower... maybe should of drove faster?
And yet he’s still won more races for Mclaren than Lando….
Aah, that old chestnut. Get over it, look forward to Oscar and hope to god he faster or at least more consistent than Danny ric.
Interesting tidbits coming out of Ferrari saying Binotto is not surviving December and Fred Vasseur is the replacement after Seidl declined the position
