Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

[wesley123]

Indeed, since Maldonado just couldnt give Hamilton a bit mroe space...

[i70q7m7ghw]

The move came from much further back than you think it did, the only option he had was to take to the escape road.

The move was made before they wen't under the 'bridge'.

[HampusA]

No --- sherlock, that´s why Hamilton, the super energetic racer should have backed of because it clearly was the wrong moment to overtake Maldonado.

then it always has to be a wrong moment to overtake Maldonado since Hamilton made exact the same move on Schumacher earlier in the race.

Maldonado turns in because the turn goes that way. Are you implying that he should make a left instead because Hamilton is close to him?
You can´t just stick your car in like that and expect someone to move.

No way that the turn goes that way, Maldonado should have gave Hamilton some space, which he did not.

Hamilton took a chance that never really existed. Just think for a second..

No an overtaking chance will never ever exist if you just start driving into someone else to 'defend your position' He did the same thing with Schuey where Schuey gave space, why couldnt Maldonado do that?

Why would Maldonado turn in on Hamilton? Why? makes no sense since the outcome of it would be that Maldo´s car would hit the wall first.

Because he has not seen him, because he thought there was the space, because he was blocking him on puirpose cexpecting Hamilton to slam on his brakes.

He did a spectacular race but it got ruined by a optimistic Hamilton which we know took alot risks and chances that day because of things that happened the day before.

If Maldonado just gave some space he would have finished the race, it is his own fault, not Hamiltons, he ruined the race by himself, it wasnt ruined by Hamilton.

I´ll just answer from top to bottom,

Hamilton was lucky he did not send Schumacher into the wall. It was just as bad of an overtake as before.
Hamilton himself misses the apex and use more of the road then he should be given for giving 2 wide and ultimately hits schumacher´s car that nearly ended his race.
It was a very bad overtake.

Maldo hits the apex PERFECTLY. There never was a question about making it 2 wide into the corner.
Maldo took the corner like he should, 1 car hitting the apex perfectly.

Ok so did he not see him or did he think he gave enough space? You are contradicting yourself here.
"Expecting him to slam on his brakes" was that even serious comment? Every car that enters that corner is on maximum braking force. All F1 drivers know that so for you even say that Maldo was thinking Hamilton would just miraculously add some more braking force is ridiculous.

Hamilton has no right to just demand space when he´s so far behind. It doesn´t work like that.
It was a divebomb that went so so wrong.
100% Hamilton´s fault for causing an avoidable collision. How? By using his head and next lap be closer to make it 2-wide.

[HampusA]

Indeed, since Maldonado just couldnt give Hamilton a bit mroe space...

Great logics, next race everybody drives on the right side of the track and hamilton on the left side.

Or how about Hamilton just hit cars from behind? Clearly they should give him more room right?

Doesn´t work like that. Hamilton was grasping for straws and this time it did not work out. Not Maldos fault at all who i´m sure was pretty damn chocked as he took the corner pefectly but got hit from the side by Hamilton.

[Mr Alcatraz]

That video is conclusive, thanks. Maldonado actually cuts the corner defending his position. His line through the corner was not a typical line, watch the other cars previous.

BS everyone tries to put two wheels on that curb. That short video is not representative of all cars taking a correct line through that corner. But I would like to see one that is if you can produce one!

Look at where the HRT turns in, near the shadow of the lampost. Now look at where PM turns it, much earlier. Tighter line. Thanks.

I can't believe I'm still discussing this! HRT??????, that car was just out for a Sunday drive. Look at the Williams (I think it is) at 7 seconds into the video that is the correct line. OK I'm done with this

[wesley123]

uhh, it is normal that when another driver tries an overtake, if it will work or not, the defending driver gives at least some space, Maldonado did not do that, he simply should give Hamilton some space.

And Hamilton so far behind? He actually was next to him, how much closer do you want to come? If Maldonado gave Hamilton some space he would ust have finished the race since Hamilton wouldnt have hit him, so in what way is it Hamiltons fault? He didnt pull Maldonado towards him by a special sort of force, Maldonado decided to just slam into him. I do not see how that is not Maldonado's own fault.

[HampusA]

Hamilton is an expert of overtakes. Yesterday he showed NOTHING of his overtaking skills.

It was probably the worst overtakes he has done in his whole career. All of them packed nicely in a Monaco package.

[wesley123]

Indeed, since Maldonado just couldnt give Hamilton a bit mroe space...

Great logics, next race everybody drives on the right side of the track and hamilton on the left side.

Or how about Hamilton just hit cars from behind? Clearly they should give him more room right?

Doesn´t work like that. Hamilton was grasping for straws and this time it did not work out. Not Maldos fault at all who i´m sure was pretty damn chocked as he took the corner pefectly but got hit from the side by Hamilton.

So how you want to overtake then, since you can just slam into the attacking person? Saying to me 'great logics', ironic...

[HampusA]

uhh, it is normal that when another driver tries an overtake, if it will work or not, the defending driver gives at least some space, Maldonado did not do that, he simply should give Hamilton some space.

And Hamilton so far behind? He actually was next to him, how much closer do you want to come? If Maldonado gave Hamilton some space he would ust have finished the race since Hamilton wouldnt have hit him, so in what way is it Hamiltons fault? He didnt pull Maldonado towards him by a special sort of force, Maldonado decided to just slam into him. I do not see how that is not Maldonado's own fault.

No it´s not normal because they should not have to worry about you doing idiotic things.
And yes he was to far behind. Had he been side by side he would have claimed a 2nd line thorugh the corner. This time he tried to make a 2nd line through the corner.

If Maldo gave him some space.... This i really don´t understand.
Schumacher did not GIVE anything to Hamilton. Hamilton took that space and hit Schumacher who barely missed the wall.

Big difference, and the fact that he was even closer in the Schumacher overtake.

[HampusA]

So how you want to overtake then, since you can just slam into the attacking person? Saying to me 'great logics', ironic...

You can´t tell a good overtake from a bad one?

Do you want some kind of horn on the cars so Hamilton can start beeping it on the straight to let Maldo knows that he will go on the inside no matter how far away he is?

This is like Sennas overtakes, you put your car in and then let the other guy decide if you want an accident or not. This time Maldo did not even know Hamilton was gonna do it.

Why don´t you ask Brundle on what he felt about some of Sennas overtakes he pulled on him?

Highlighted: Now that pretty much tells me how much you really know about overtakes. Listen, the corner goes that way, Maldo took the apex perfectly.
If anything, Hamilton slams into Maldo.

[i70q7m7ghw]

'divebomb'... let me look that up in the Formula 1 Driver's Handbook... oh wait, it's not in there! Stop making up crap.

[HampusA]

.............................. Senna was famous for his divebombs.
Ask the drivers of that era on what they thought of his overtakes.

"i´ll just put my nose in this never existing gap, and i hand the responsibility to you if we are going to crash or not, ok?"

[HampusA]

Frankly i´m done here. You might be the engineering excellence crew but overtakes is something you have no idea on.

[i70q7m7ghw]

No no no no no, Senna was much more famous for his barrel-roll. Prost was famous for his loop-the-loop.

[andrew]

Frankly i´m done here. You might be the engineering excellence crew but overtakes is something you have no idea on.

I think we should all be done here. It's going round in circles.

Nothing new will be established and everyone knows everyones stance.