Scuderia Ferrari 2012

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On paper, the F2012 is better suited to Valencia than it was to Montreal.
So hopefully we can win there.
And hopefully we'll see an 8th different winner! :D
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stefan_ wrote:Hamilton at Ferrari? No, please.

If Perez makes another 4-5 races like the one today, I am ready to put my money down that he will be in red next year.
To be honest, my money is on him already. I don't think Massa can do anything short of win the WDC to retain his seat, and I don't see anyone else really in strong contention for his seat... Perhaps Paul DiResta, but I see him more partnering Rosberg when Schumacher quits, or partnering Vettel when Webber goes.

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Ham at Ferrari?? No thanks and not so much. That would be total disaster. Ham has an ego the size of Texas. He would never work in the Ferrari philosophy centered on Alonso. They should hire Perez. He would be a fantastic #2 and would appreciate the opportunity/position. Ham would be in a constant state of tension with Alonso, demanding #1 status and complaining on the radio. Furthermore, I don't think Luca likes Hammy all that much after some of his radio chatter and on track antics with Alonso over the years. 


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Funny you say those, when in fact it was Alonso in 2007 who demanded clear no. 1 status and told Ron Dennis to reign Hamilton in. When rejected, he resorted to blackmail.

Also, it's plain disgusting seeing Hamilton getting bashed over and over for things he has been PUNISHED for. He mislead the stewards, got stripped of the result, apologised. Passed the safety car, served a drive through. What did Alonso get for Singapore 2008 ? He got away scot-free. Why ? He didn't know :D

Maybe you think race fixing isn't cheating ? :lol:

Anyway, Hamilton can't go to Ferrari even if he wants to when Alonso is there. Alonso will simply give the ultimatum to Ferrari management. "If Hamilton's here, I'm not". He can't afford a repeat of 2007, plain and simple. Besides, I don't think any team can afford -money wise- Hamilton and Alonso at the same time.
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Kubica will be the man.
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That on I agree.
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If anyone can afford Hamilton and Alonso simultaneously, it's Ferrari. Money is not the issue.

I just don't think Alonso would resist as much as you guys think. He knows he is the natural leader at Ferrari. He fears no one. He has cultural and linguistic ties, not to mention three seasons of heroic performances that have earned the team's adoration. He tied Hamilton on points in the latter's finest season, under adverse circumstances. In the hearts and minds Alonso will remain number one. Hamilton would be like a mercenary.

I don't expect it to happen, and it would be risky, but eventually Ferrari is going to get fed up of 3rd place finishes and set out to kick some ass. Maybe Perez is enough, maybe not. Surely the temperature is rising. You also have to remember that Hamilton would have to be stupid to walk out of McLaren and then destabilize Ferrari. His reputation would be ruined across the paddock. Not a smart move for a guy looking to rack up titles.

Just speculation, but I think it deserves more than a reflexive 'no.'

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As much as I think Alonso imploded mentally in 2007 and couldn't reconcile the fact he was being equalled and sometimes beaten by a rookie, I think he has since recognised Hamilton's talent and has a huge amount of respect for him. Likewise Hamilton was the young upstart who refused to respect the established champion, but again has since matured a lot and has shown Alonso a lot of respect since then.

I don't think it will happen, but if Alonso and Hamilton were to end up in the same team again then I think there would be a lot less fireworks this time around. The respect is there, they're both world champions in their own right, and neither would see the shame in losing on occasion to the other even if they both feel they have the slight edge on the other. If one dominated the other, for whatever reason, then we'd see fireworks from the loser and no doubt all manner of excuses or accusations about bias. But if it was a closely fought season, as is more likely given their talents, then I think there's enough respect there now for the two to keep their heads down and get on with fighting on track.

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could ferrari sign schumacher for next year?? we know that the old man still has it inside him!! and all he is looking for is more wins...so probably he wont interfere with alonso's championships....also it is a team he knows 'too' well!

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Some interesting comments from Ferrari about Perez:
Ferrari believes that Sergio Perez's return to form in the Canadian Grand Prix was helped by him learning to tame his aggression.

Up until last weekend's race in Montreal, the Mexican had not scored a point since he finished runner-up to Fernando Alonso at the Malaysian Grand Prix back in March.

That run of disappointment prompted talks between the Sauber driver and Ferrari Driver Academy head Luca Baldisserri to work out exactly what was happening.

And Baldisserri suggested in an interview with the official Ferrari website that Perez's recent plight was not being helped by him being too aggressive in the races.

"After Monaco, we had a discussion with Sergio," said Baldisserri. "We wanted to find out why recent results had not lived up to expectations after the Malaysian Grand Prix.

"Perez is undoubtedly talented, but he often lets himself down by being too aggressive which, especially in Formula 1, does not deliver results.

"The Montreal race was a great response, a race in which Sergio not only ran at a great pace, but also managed his race very well, managing to stay on track for fifty laps on the same set of tyres."
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Shrieker wrote:Funny you say those, when in fact it was Alonso in 2007 who demanded clear no. 1 status and told Ron Dennis to reign Hamilton in. When rejected, he resorted to blackmail.

Also, it's plain disgusting seeing Hamilton getting bashed over and over for things he has been PUNISHED for. He mislead the stewards, got stripped of the result, apologised. Passed the safety car, served a drive through. What did Alonso get for Singapore 2008 ? He got away scot-free. Why ? He didn't know :D

Maybe you think race fixing isn't cheating ? :lol:

Anyway, Hamilton can't go to Ferrari even if he wants to when Alonso is there. Alonso will simply give the ultimatum to Ferrari management. "If Hamilton's here, I'm not". He can't afford a repeat of 2007, plain and simple. Besides, I don't think any team can afford -money wise- Hamilton and Alonso at the same time.
It would be 2007 the other way around though, mentally. I'm not agreeing that Alonso demanded number 1 status in 2007, he wanted equal treatment. Probably he got equal treatment, it's hard to say, but in his mind he didn't. Probably Alonso really didn't know anything about crash-gate. Remember that it was nearly the end of an F1 team and it was the end of Briatore, with Alonso coming through without scratches.

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Alonso in the simulator.

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Its hard to judge from this picture but IMO the Ferrari simulator looks not as much sophisticated of as of the red bull one. I might be wrong.

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FakeAlonso wrote:Its hard to judge from this picture but IMO the Ferrari simulator looks not as much sophisticated of as of the red bull one. I might be wrong.
Certainly not graphically - it looks like a pc game from the 90's. But that really isn't important compared to the underlying simulation.

By most accounts the McLaren simulator is the best around, certainly one of the best, and from the few shots we've seen it's graphics aren't that great either. But underneath that it is able to dynamically simulate every element on the car, from the aero through to the tyres, learning and adapting as more real world data is collected from the race cars.

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I know it is slightly off topic but why don't the graphics stand up to say Codemaster F1 2012? I understand that it is more inportant to get the physics right but surely having accurate graphics adds to a more immersive experience and make it more realistic and relatable to the real thing?
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It's much more impressive from the outside.
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Here's a statement from Moog, the vendor.

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