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[venkyhere]

Guys, remember Austria 2024 ? Redbull made some final changes to the car before Q and Max got pole by 0.4s over the Mclarens. It was a shocking margin then, and Helmut Marko said "we have the set up the car for race, actually". And we saw how the car ate it's tyres and went backwards in the race. Marko has made a similar statement yesterday, after the 0.2s Q margin. It might well be a repeat case, and all the discussion we are having about what Max will do, is making a big assumption that he has similar/better race pace than the Mclarens. That well might not be the case.

[Sergej]

Strange to say, but I think I prefer Lando cruising to a commanding victory rather than Max losing the title by 5 points lol.

[venkyhere]

Strange to say, but I think I prefer Lando cruising to a commanding victory rather than Max losing the title by 5 points lol.

Can we please come out of the f-a-n-b-o-y mindset and be level headed ?

Not trying to be a killjoy, but that was definitely a point to consider. Austria 2024 was exactly similar - nowhere in practice and suddenly a few tenths up. We know that things like stiffness/camber/toe/tyre-pressure/ride-height etc are the tools they play with, to tune for one lap pace (sacrificing tyres) or race pace (preserving tyres).

Remember, this track is not Monaco, there are massive straights that aid overtaking, dying tyres will make it impossible to defend, no matter what the straightline top speed is, because braking will be inefficient. Hence, prioritizing Q alone will be suicide (having seen how Max did both Q2 runs on 'old tyres from Q1' is something that hints that most likely that such an 'error' isn't made) , so kindly refrain from 'delivering a punchline' like above, without thinking it through.

[Sergej]

Strange to say, but I think I prefer Lando cruising to a commanding victory rather than Max losing the title by 5 points lol.

Can we please come out of the f-a-n-b-o-y mindset and be level headed ?

Not trying to be a killjoy, but that was definitely a point to consider. Austria 2024 was exactly similar - nowhere in practice and suddenly a few tenths up. We know that things like stiffness/camber/toe/tyre-pressure/ride-height etc are the tools they play with, to tune for one lap pace (sacrificing tyres) or race pace (preserving tyres).

Remember, this track is not Monaco, there are massive straights that aid overtaking, dying tyres will make it impossible to defend, no matter what the straightline top speed is, because braking will be inefficient. Hence, prioritizing Q alone will be suicide (having seen how Max did both Q2 runs on 'old tyres from Q1' is something that hints that most likely that such an 'error' isn't made) , so kindly refrain from 'delivering a punchline' like above, without thinking it through.

Calm down mate, it's just a thought of a Sunday morning, no need to over analyze it.

[basti313]

Strange to say, but I think I prefer Lando cruising to a commanding victory rather than Max losing the title by 5 points lol.

Can we please come out of the f-a-n-b-o-y mindset and be level headed ?

Not trying to be a killjoy, but that was definitely a point to consider. Austria 2024 was exactly similar - nowhere in practice and suddenly a few tenths up. We know that things like stiffness/camber/toe/tyre-pressure/ride-height etc are the tools they play with, to tune for one lap pace (sacrificing tyres) or race pace (preserving tyres).

Remember, this track is not Monaco, there are massive straights that aid overtaking, dying tyres will make it impossible to defend, no matter what the straightline top speed is, because braking will be inefficient. Hence, prioritizing Q alone will be suicide (having seen how Max did both Q2 runs on 'old tyres from Q1' is something that hints that most likely that such an 'error' isn't made) , so kindly refrain from 'delivering a punchline' like above, without thinking it through.

Calm down mate, it's just a thought of a Sunday morning, no need to over analyze it.

Venky is not calm. Especially not on Sunday mornings

I think you two are talking about completely different topics.
Venky is of course right: There is no defending with trailing S3 now anymore. We saw in the F2 race, that DRS was easily worth half a second. No way to defend if the gap is lower and the gaps were usually made in the last sector.

[f1isgood]

Guys, remember Austria 2024 ? Redbull made some final changes to the car before Q and Max got pole by 0.4s over the Mclarens. It was a shocking margin then, and Helmut Marko said "we have the set up the car for race, actually". And we saw how the car ate it's tyres and went backwards in the race. Marko has made a similar statement yesterday, after the 0.2s Q margin. It might well be a repeat case, and all the discussion we are having about what Max will do, is making a big assumption that he has similar/better race pace than the Mclarens. That well might not be the case.

Bad comparison. Red Bull was still ok in first stint and only a pit stop blunder stopped Max from winning.

Also, one day you will ignore Marko and learn to not be over analyzing things especially when they dont go according to prediction lol.

If Red Bull is slow, why does it matter? They were never expected to fast anyways. It would only be in line with expectation around this track. Just enjoy the race and whatever happens will happen.

[euv2]

Surprise! Max ran the new floor from Mexico in Abu Dhabi after abandoning it for the last few races, Yuki had been running the new floor for the recent races but the pitlane accident has made them switch to the Monza spec. Have they figured out how to finally get it working? Second biggest pole margin of the season for RB21 after COTA (excl. Baku drying track).

[f1isgood]

Surprise! Max ran the new floor from Mexico in Abu Dhabi after abandoning it for the last few races, Yuki had been running the new floor for the recent races but the pitlane accident has made them switch to the Monza spec. Have they figured out how to finally get it working? Second biggest pole margin of the season for RB21 after COTA (excl. Baku drying track).

I was comparing onboards, and clearly Max's lap is more on the limit than Landos. It's clear that at T1 for example, Lando leaves more margin. Lando tried to be more on the limit in FP but somehow took it m more conservatively.

I don't think we saw full potential of McLaren as it feels to me that Lando just drove a bunch of safe bankers.

[venkyhere]

Surprise! Max ran the new floor from Mexico in Abu Dhabi after abandoning it for the last few races, Yuki had been running the new floor for the recent races but the pitlane accident has made them switch to the Monza spec. Have they figured out how to finally get it working? Second biggest pole margin of the season for RB21 after COTA (excl. Baku drying track).

Thank you, yes indeed.



So they finally got it to work.

[Juzh]

It could also be track specific.

[Badger]

I don't feel nervous tbh. I didn't have expectations for this season after the first half so it feels like a bonus to even be here. As far as the race goes most of it is out of Max's hands, beyond the winning part obviously. Will be interesting to see how the pace holds up, still expecting McLaren to have better deg.

[FNTC]

Lando overtook yuki outside the white line...

[pantherxxx]

Tsunoda is totally useless. Perez would have done 10 times more.

[Juzh]

Lando overtook yuki outside the white line...

Should be penalty 100% if he doesnt give back positions. Vettel had to give back positions in 2012 for the same move off the track.

[FNTC]

They might both get a penalty