Scuderia Ferrari 2012

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Chuckjr wrote:SUCH a shame they could not be mates for 2 - 3 yrs. That would have been EPIC.
Speaking of replacements and swopping drivers and touching on the Massa thing again.
I wonder if Ferrari should not consider replaceing Massa with Kovalainen....
I have no doubt he'd be cheaper,(not that the money is an issue for Ferrari) especially for the chance to get into a potential title fighting car. Would he do better than Massa?

I really think he would teach Massa a lesson, and he is arguably in the form of his life these past 2 seasons. Would be way better support for Fernando than Felipe is at the moment, and he would surely beat Fisichellain the same car as well(looking at a few posts above mentioning fisichella replacing Massa)

Just another spanner in the mix.

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curiosity: are the radio comm between pits and drivers available in their entirety (LIVE) or do teams decide what they want/don't want to release ? I just wonder in the context of the race. Certain dialogues during the race can obviously be revealing info to opponents, so I just wonder because if those channels are open for anyone to listen in then what we hear could very well "deception"

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zyphro wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:I think Schumacher's exit from Ferrari was less about internal politics than it was about Raikkonen's availability. Schumacher was 37 (?) at the time, Alonso had just signed with McLaren, and it seemed then that such a relationship was for the long haul. Ferrari, in turn, had to do something to ensure they had a competitive driver for the long haul, and that could not happen as long as Schumacher was still in the picture.

All things considered, I'd say it was the right move, too.
I still think the decision to bring in Kimi was wrong - IMO if Monty didn't side with Kimi, I'm pretty damn sure, he (Schumi), would've won 2007 and 2008.

Kimi's availability was not the issue. It was tempting but Ferrari knew they wanted Alonso already and they wanted to open that door. Alonso was not going to go to Ferrari whileit was Schumacher's team.
th eimmediate plot was that Montezemolo really wanted to reassert himself as the dominant figure in the team and that meant moving the old guard out. Kimi being available was the perfect tool needed to help Schumacher retire. Often you will see a quote from Schumacher on being tired of the politics. He is no refering just to F1 but also closer to home within Ferrari.
Marlboro was leaving, Santander was knockin on thr door and they had their driver with them. Monte needed to make this happen.

Was it the right decision? Was it the right way to go about the change? Maybe and No.

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Raptor22 wrote:
zyphro wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:I think Schumacher's exit from Ferrari was less about internal politics than it was about Raikkonen's availability. Schumacher was 37 (?) at the time, Alonso had just signed with McLaren, and it seemed then that such a relationship was for the long haul. Ferrari, in turn, had to do something to ensure they had a competitive driver for the long haul, and that could not happen as long as Schumacher was still in the picture.

All things considered, I'd say it was the right move, too.
I still think the decision to bring in Kimi was wrong - IMO if Monty didn't side with Kimi, I'm pretty damn sure, he (Schumi), would've won 2007 and 2008.

Kimi's availability was not the issue. It was tempting but Ferrari knew they wanted Alonso already and they wanted to open that door. Alonso was not going to go to Ferrari whileit was Schumacher's team.
th eimmediate plot was that Montezemolo really wanted to reassert himself as the dominant figure in the team and that meant moving the old guard out. Kimi being available was the perfect tool needed to help Schumacher retire. Often you will see a quote from Schumacher on being tired of the politics. He is no refering just to F1 but also closer to home within Ferrari.
Marlboro was leaving, Santander was knockin on thr door and they had their driver with them. Monte needed to make this happen.

Was it the right decision? Was it the right way to go about the change? Maybe and No.
Alonso was clearly a better fit at the time - he was and still is a team leader. Problem is that Todt was a man who held grudges and therefore decided not to pursue Alonso after he felt Alonso had reneged on an agreement in 2002.

Not sure if it was all a master plot by LdM.

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What updates are coming to Hungary? Will they use that kick arse looking new front wing? Would love to see them match speed with the field as FA would then go in for the kill the rest of the season. 8)
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Raptor22 wrote:Kimi's availability was not the issue. It was tempting but Ferrari knew they wanted Alonso already and they wanted to open that door. Alonso was not going to go to Ferrari whileit was Schumacher's team.
th eimmediate plot was that Montezemolo really wanted to reassert himself as the dominant figure in the team and that meant moving the old guard out. Kimi being available was the perfect tool needed to help Schumacher retire. Often you will see a quote from Schumacher on being tired of the politics. He is no refering just to F1 but also closer to home within Ferrari.
Marlboro was leaving, Santander was knockin on thr door and they had their driver with them. Monte needed to make this happen.

Was it the right decision? Was it the right way to go about the change? Maybe and No.
A couple of things, though: Alonso signed with McLaren at the end of 2005, long before there was any outward indication that Schumacher was on the way out. And by all appearances, the Alonso/McLaren relationship seemed to be long-term, because one of the reasons he signed and publicly announced it so early is because he said it was his life-long dream to drive for McLaren. So, I really don't think his status played a role in Schumacher's departure in any way.

Also, despite all appearances to the contrary, Philip Morris is still the title sponsor of Scuderia Ferrari to this day. Even with the loss of Vodafone, there was little need to go out and court additional sponsorship.

However, when it comes to the old guard, I think you're absolutely right. "Dream Team" or not, nothing lasts forever, and it was incumbent upon Montezemolo to bring in fresh blood. But, don't forget that he hired Todt, Brawn, Schumacher, et al; he didn't have to assert his control any further than that.

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bhallg2k wrote:
Raptor22 wrote:Kimi's availability was not the issue. It was tempting but Ferrari knew they wanted Alonso already and they wanted to open that door. Alonso was not going to go to Ferrari whileit was Schumacher's team.
th eimmediate plot was that Montezemolo really wanted to reassert himself as the dominant figure in the team and that meant moving the old guard out. Kimi being available was the perfect tool needed to help Schumacher retire. Often you will see a quote from Schumacher on being tired of the politics. He is no refering just to F1 but also closer to home within Ferrari.
Marlboro was leaving, Santander was knockin on thr door and they had their driver with them. Monte needed to make this happen.

Was it the right decision? Was it the right way to go about the change? Maybe and No.
A couple of things, though: Alonso signed with McLaren at the end of 2005, long before there was any outward indication that Schumacher was on the way out. And by all appearances, the Alonso/McLaren relationship seemed to be long-term, because one of the reasons he signed and publicly announced it so early is because he said it was his life-long dream to drive for McLaren. So, I really don't think his status played a role in Schumacher's departure in any way.

Also, despite all appearances to the contrary, Philip Morris is still the title sponsor of Scuderia Ferrari to this day. Even with the loss of Vodafone, there was little need to go out and court additional sponsorship.

However, when it comes to the old guard, I think you're absolutely right. "Dream Team" or not, nothing lasts forever, and it was incumbent upon Montezemolo to bring in fresh blood. But, don't forget that he hired Todt, Brawn, Schumacher, et al; he didn't have to assert his control any further than that.
This is an interesting take:

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=95480

Seems like a very good account of events, if you ask me - which takes me back to my viewpoint earlier. And I sort of think, although he came back in F1 because of his enjoyment of racing, he also came back to get one over Ferrari (Monty) with Mercedes (Brawn). And so, I don't think he'll be retiring anytime soon.

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zyphro wrote:This is an interesting take:

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=95480

Seems like a very good account of events, if you ask me - which takes me back to my viewpoint earlier. And I sort of think, although he came back in F1 because of his enjoyment of racing, he also came back to get one over Ferrari (Monty) with Mercedes (Brawn). And so, I don't think he'll be retiring anytime soon.
He'll have to stick around for a good, long while if that's his goal. :wink:

Good read, though. Thanks.

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bhallg2k wrote:
zyphro wrote:This is an interesting take:

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=95480

Seems like a very good account of events, if you ask me - which takes me back to my viewpoint earlier. And I sort of think, although he came back in F1 because of his enjoyment of racing, he also came back to get one over Ferrari (Monty) with Mercedes (Brawn). And so, I don't think he'll be retiring anytime soon.
He'll have to stick around for a good, long while if that's his goal. :wink:

Good read, though. Thanks.
Yeah, although, Schumacher is very feisty and has already said he's not satisfied at all with what he's achieved (no surprise) :twisted: :P .

No problem :D .

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As the Constructors standings shows, the F2012 is now the 4th fastest car, it was outpaced by RB, Macca and lotus.
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Not to bad of a result today being that Alonso stretched his lead to 40 in the points and had a top 5 finish. A win still would have been better, but you can't win em' all lol. I'm a happy tifosi today.
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Teechnical wrote:As the Constructors standings shows, the F2012 is now the 4th fastest car, it was outpaced by RB, Macca and lotus.
That oversimplifies it, the Hungaroring doesn't flatter the Ferrari and their qualifying was also not great.

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Do me a favour please. Can you list the next tracks out of the 9 which wont say flatter the Ferrari.
Thanks.
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Teechnical wrote:Do me a favour please. Can you list the next tracks out of the 9 which wont say flatter the Ferrari.
Thanks.
Spa is the only track I see giving them any real problems.
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