What are the odds of Alonso losing it?

[jdlive]

Haha come on, the Mclaren is superior in every way this season. It's perfectly capable of what Vettel did. The difference is that neither Button nor Hamilton are capable of Vettel or Schumacher-style domination.

Its only been truly the best car since there big update in germany. Since germany, they have had 4 poles and 3 wins (and lets be fair highly likely would of been 4). 3 poles and 2 (should of been 3) wins for Hamilton

Your comments about not being able to be dominant when the car is the best on the grid are rubbish

and lets be fair, now Schumacher isn't in the best car - its embarrassing. And as for Vettel, its quiet clear what made him and quick last year....its been banned and look at the results of it.

Do you watch any races?

If my comments are rubbish, then where and when exactly did he actually do it? Not in F1. There he has exactly 1 WDC that was won in the last corner of the last race. Not exactly "domination".

Do you watch the races in real life or in your dreams? Because there's a major discrepancy between the documented reality and what you apparently have seen?

[Miguel]

At the risk of deriding this Vettel-Hamilton debate back on topic, my gut feeling says Alonso has about 60% chance, Vettel 30%, Hamilton 10% and the rest is marginal. I think that translates to decimal odds aas 1:1.67, 1:3.33 and 1:10, give or take.

Funnily enough, I feel it's easier for Hamilton to overtake Vettel than it is for Vettel to overtake Alonso. Barring scorching heat, which won't happen in either Japan and Korea, shouldn't happen in Brazil, and Abu Dhabi will take place at sunset, Kimi has small chances with the Lotus. Barring heat, rain may decide the championship. Is there anyone willing to bet that it won't rain in Suzuka, Yeongam *and* Sao Paulo?

[Nando]

If my comments are rubbish, then where and when exactly did he actually do it? Not in F1. There he has exactly 1 WDC that was won in the last corner of the last race. Not exactly "domination".

Do you watch the races in real life or in your dreams? Because there's a major discrepancy between the documented reality and what you apparently have seen?

If you remove the super dominant RB7 (and really the RB6) where has Vettel been dominant?

And don´t bring up his Monza win in 08. If you watched that race you would not bring it up as if it has any weight behind it.

[Shrieker]

Don't call me dude and I am not trolling, the Mclaren is by far the best car this season and it has been at every single race weekend, period. Is it so hard to admit ear ring boy is failing yet again?

It's obvious you haven't been watching all the races this season.

[beelsebob]

Posted what turned out to be a more interesting than I thought analysis to the Singpore race thread...
viewtopic.php?p=378147#p378147

[Stradivarius]

I think it is still highly unpredictable what is going to happen and it is difficult to judge each of the contender's chances. Alonso has so far had the margins on his side in most of the races, except from Spa. But even then, he didn't loose any points to Hamilton, who still appears to be his strongest competitor. Every time one of his competitors retires, they don't only loose points, but Alonso gains positions and points as well, just like on sunday when Alonso was set to finish 5th. Then Hamilton retired and Alonso moved up to 4th. Then Maldonado retired and Alonso moved up to 3rd. As far as we know, Red Bull might continue to perform inconsistently, while McLaren continues to struggle with reliability. We could even see relative improvements from Ferrari. But we might just as well see that McLaren finishes the rest of the races with both drivers, while Alonso looses places and points not only to the McLarens, but also to Red Bull and Lotus. Even Alonso might have some technical problem, like he did in qualifying at Monza, he might get hit like he did at Spa, or he might even make a mistake himself. His lead could disappear in 2 races, and he could finish this year's championship behind both Hamilton and Vettel.

[Phil]

I guess there is a point to be made that the McLaren started very strong this season - but was severely hindered by the new tyres and the lottery in finding the perfect set-up to convert a strong qualifying (where the tyres are less of a factor) into a strong race result.

If the tyres had not been such a factor, I'm pretty sure the races would have been more predictable, a bit like the dominant start RedBull had in last years season.

I'd also argue that the RedBull had a much bigger advantage in 2011 over its competitors than any other team in the past few years. The McLaren this year might be very quick, but I do think the unpredictability of the tyres and its set-up level out this advantage any team may have over another to some degree.

[CHT]

Although I am hoping for Vettel to win his record breaking 3rd WDC, but deep down still think Alonso is the most deserving WDC for 2012 because of the way he handle his drive without having the fastest car on track.

[astracrazy]

If my comments are rubbish, then where and when exactly did he actually do it? Not in F1. There he has exactly 1 WDC that was won in the last corner of the last race. Not exactly "domination".

Do you watch the races in real life or in your dreams? Because there's a major discrepancy between the documented reality and what you apparently have seen?

you claim Mclaren/Hamilton/Button hasn't been dominant when they've had the best car. So I've pointed out to you its been truly the best since its update and since, Mclaren clearly have been the dominant. You can't deny that. But you prob will...

whos taking about 2008? who even said Mclaren's car was better than Ferrari's?

Vettel was only dominant in 2011 where they obviously had massive gains from the ebd which is now banned- else he'd be doing the same now

[dren]

Q. Kimi, you came out of nowhere in the championship, to steal it right under the noses of your competitors in your first year back in Formula 1! How does it feel?

A. Gurgle gurgle gurgle (Kimi chugging the champagne).

[jdlive]

If my comments are rubbish, then where and when exactly did he actually do it? Not in F1. There he has exactly 1 WDC that was won in the last corner of the last race. Not exactly "domination".

Do you watch the races in real life or in your dreams? Because there's a major discrepancy between the documented reality and what you apparently have seen?

If you remove the super dominant RB7 (and really the RB6) where has Vettel been dominant?

And don´t bring up his Monza win in 08. If you watched that race you would not bring it up as if it has any weight behind it.

Every domination period in F1 has been in dominant cars since at least the last 30y. Why do we never hear this argument used for Senna and only for Schumacher and Vettel?

[jdlive]

Don't call me dude and I am not trolling, the Mclaren is by far the best car this season and it has been at every single race weekend, period. Is it so hard to admit ear ring boy is failing yet again?

It's obvious you haven't been watching all the races this season.

I did actually

[jdlive]

If my comments are rubbish, then where and when exactly did he actually do it? Not in F1. There he has exactly 1 WDC that was won in the last corner of the last race. Not exactly "domination".

Do you watch the races in real life or in your dreams? Because there's a major discrepancy between the documented reality and what you apparently have seen?

you claim Mclaren/Hamilton/Button hasn't been dominant when they've had the best car. So I've pointed out to you its been truly the best since its update and since, Mclaren clearly have been the dominant. You can't deny that. But you prob will...

whos taking about 2008? who even said Mclaren's car was better than Ferrari's?

Vettel was only dominant in 2011 where they obviously had massive gains from the ebd which is now banned- else he'd be doing the same now

With dominating I did mean the entire season. The first Mclaren is now third, not exactly domination.

[astracrazy]

With dominating I did mean the entire season. The first Mclaren is now third, not exactly domination.

i think our opinion on if the mclaren has been the best car all season or not is obviously different. We'll leave it at that

[Nando]

Every domination period in F1 has been in dominant cars since at least the last 30y. Why do we never hear this argument used for Senna and only for Schumacher and Vettel?

First of all, that first sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Second of all, neither does the second sentence.