After Max Verstappen had initially gained the upper hand at the start, Mercedes's Lewis Hamilton fought back and executed a two-stop strategy to perfection towards the race win. Verstappen had to be content with second as Bottas finished a bleak third.
You have to blame scheduling for that. Events are running back-to-back so they can't afford delays.El Scorchio wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:20It does slightly annoy me they don't stop the clock in practices when there's a (minor) red flag like this one that only takes 5 minutes to sort out.
Very true. It's a shame though.mkay wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:33You have to blame scheduling for that. Events are running back-to-back so they can't afford delays.El Scorchio wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:20It does slightly annoy me they don't stop the clock in practices when there's a (minor) red flag like this one that only takes 5 minutes to sort out.
... But they travel on a longer path and the back straight is effectively slightly longer aswell, I really doubt the new layout is anywhere near 1 second faster...yelistener wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:37New T10 apex speed is over 30km/h faster than the old layout. That's at least 1s gained there, and yet FP1 fastest lap still almost 2s slower than 2020 FP1. I think by now we've had the clear idea how much the 2021 regulation and the tyres has damaged the pace.
This year's Hungary quali might be 3s slower than 2020.
High top speed for longer, significantly higher minimum corner speed, both more than make up for the small increase in distance covered. Remember that lap time is determined by how fast you go through the corners - that's why the cars carry so much downforce after all. So a faster corner will be worth a lot more than the longer path required to go around it.HungarianRacer wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:45... But they travel on a longer path and the back straight is effectively slightly longer aswell, I really doubt the new layout is anywhere near 1 second faster...yelistener wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:37New T10 apex speed is over 30km/h faster than the old layout. That's at least 1s gained there, and yet FP1 fastest lap still almost 2s slower than 2020 FP1. I think by now we've had the clear idea how much the 2021 regulation and the tyres has damaged the pace.
This year's Hungary quali might be 3s slower than 2020.
That's because brundle still a racer first, and a commentator second. A lot of the others are nothing but commentators.erudite450 wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:49Brundle is usually the only one who calls him out on his BS. The others just give him a platform to spout out his nonsense.
Reality is that we’re all complicit. It was obviously only a Redbull grievance, who for whatever reason seem unable to read & understand the rules/notes. The media made a massive issue of it, likewise on the race threads, pages and pages of commentary.El Scorchio wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:45Horner on Sky moaning about track limits and claiming the teams don't understand, and it should be crystal clear the line is the line and that's that. Every other team seemed to understand it pretty fine. Brundle pointed out to him the track limit info was written in bright pink on the director's notes.
And now he's contradicted himself live on air after Brundle pushed him on it by saying it's harsh on Verstappen because he was on the limit and only JUST went over, and it's fine margins....
New layout is just 18m longer. Even with the apex speed 110km/h you just need a little over 0.5s to go over that distance.HungarianRacer wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:45... But they travel on a longer path and the back straight is effectively slightly longer aswell, I really doubt the new layout is anywhere near 1 second faster...yelistener wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:37New T10 apex speed is over 30km/h faster than the old layout. That's at least 1s gained there, and yet FP1 fastest lap still almost 2s slower than 2020 FP1. I think by now we've had the clear idea how much the 2021 regulation and the tyres has damaged the pace.
This year's Hungary quali might be 3s slower than 2020.
Lol brundle is mercedes/totos biggest fan. He's bias as f... and has been anti-RB since ages ago. His commentating skills have declined and often times he just spits out pointless rubbish and gossip.erudite450 wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:49Brundle is usually the only one who calls him out on his BS. The others just give him a platform to spout out his nonsense.
I didn't say the new layout wasn't any faster, all I'm suggesting is, quoting an apex speed increase is this case is meaningless, because the new T10 is tecnically not even a replacement of the old corner (the track wasn't resurfaced), it's a different turn behind it, so you won't even get an idea how much longer the new layout is until you've seen a bird's eye view of the track (the difference is not insignificant).... Based on the bird's eye view, I don't think that new track section is 1 second faster...Just_a_fan wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 13:01High top speed for longer, significantly higher minimum corner speed, both more than make up for the small increase in distance covered. Remember that lap time is determined by how fast you go through the corners - that's why the cars carry so much downforce after all. So a faster corner will be worth a lot more than the longer path required to go around it.HungarianRacer wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:45... But they travel on a longer path and the back straight is effectively slightly longer aswell, I really doubt the new layout is anywhere near 1 second faster...yelistener wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:37New T10 apex speed is over 30km/h faster than the old layout. That's at least 1s gained there, and yet FP1 fastest lap still almost 2s slower than 2020 FP1. I think by now we've had the clear idea how much the 2021 regulation and the tyres has damaged the pace.
This year's Hungary quali might be 3s slower than 2020.
Official track lenght is basically just the lenght of a measuring line stretched across the middle of the track, how much more do the cars travel on the new racing line, really?... The old corner was effectively a 90 degree right angle turn, very low apex speed, but hard on the throttle on exit, the new T10 is a constant, long radius corner with obviously a much higher minimum speed, but progressive acceleration and a much more acute approach angle to T11... And again, I didn't say the new section wasn't any faster, just definitely not 1s+ faster...yelistener wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 13:14New layout is just 18m longer. Even with the apex speed 110km/h you just need a little over 0.5s to go over that distance.HungarianRacer wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:45... But they travel on a longer path and the back straight is effectively slightly longer aswell, I really doubt the new layout is anywhere near 1 second faster...yelistener wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:37New T10 apex speed is over 30km/h faster than the old layout. That's at least 1s gained there, and yet FP1 fastest lap still almost 2s slower than 2020 FP1. I think by now we've had the clear idea how much the 2021 regulation and the tyres has damaged the pace.
This year's Hungary quali might be 3s slower than 2020.
30km/h higher in a slow corner like that would actually mean a lot more than 1s. For example, 2-3 km/h higher through La Source can be worth 1-2 tenths. With 30km/h higher it not only speeds up the cornering but also shortens the braking on entry and partial throttle on exit.
I lowballed with 1s because I don't want to make 2021 pace sound too bad lol
Oh please.dans79 wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 13:07That's because brundle still a racer first, and a commentator second. A lot of the others are nothing but commentators.erudite450 wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 12:49Brundle is usually the only one who calls him out on his BS. The others just give him a platform to spout out his nonsense.
