2025 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, June 13 - 15

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langedweil wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 04:19
Only 6 pages in the race thread in the night after qualifying whilst the holiday season hasn't even started .. something about that seems to tell me that many ppl are no longer overly enthousiastic about the season.
Yes, nothing new to see. McLarens screw Q like the Mercs in 2015...still finish 1 2 as they will be Kingston on traction after a few laps.
Verstappen needs to behave, so P3 with a slight chance for Rus...without drama unfortunately.

In fact, I think it is rather painful to watch sympathetic Nor kill his reputation.
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selvam_e2002 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 09:40
1st lap crash between Russel and Max. Alonso in P3. Mclaren 1 and 2.
Be more fun if there was actual tension, head to head battle and the best man won?
T1 crash would just be silly.

Looking forwards to it, but can't wait for these regulations to end.
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CMSMJ1 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 11:07
selvam_e2002 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 09:40
1st lap crash between Russel and Max. Alonso in P3. Mclaren 1 and 2.
Be more fun if there was actual tension, head to head battle and the best man won?
T1 crash would just be silly.

Looking forwards to it, but can't wait for these regulations to end.

The new PU rules for 2026 are crap.

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George Russell:
"Ive got a few more points on my license to play with"
ouch :D

i think drivers should ‘play that card’ with verstappen. ver when he doesn't have the fastest car is very easy to provoke. George should take advantage of this and send verstappen for a ‘rest’ :D

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pantherxxx wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 23:13
Maybe the Td impacted Mclaren afterall? Especially weak lap from Norris, and both Russell and Verstappen beat Piastri. Breaking stability is especially important here, more than in Barcelona. So it could have made the car harder to control.
Norris suggested the need to raise the car for the kerb riding means any advantage they have previously enjoyed isn’t available in Canada. It’s just track specific. However that doesn’t mean Max and Russell won’t be on a par with McLaren in Austria too.

I think the flexi wing TD needs putting to bed now
Just a fan's point of view

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search wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 08:30
Haven't seen an official list yet, but this should normally be what teams have left for the race:

https://i.imgur.com/lvR5vNY.png

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SIMONE BERRA – PIRELLI CHIEF ENGINEER

“ .. In fact, the topic of temperatures is definitely a factor to take into account when evaluating today, looking ahead to the race. It should be warmer and sunnier on Sunday and the track could be as much as ten degrees hotter than it was this afternoon, as the race gets underway at 14.00 while the second free practice started at 17.00.

We saw teams adopt a different approach to tyre use compared to what is normally the case on Fridays. Some teams used two sets of Medium and two of Soft, while others have already used one set of Hard, although the majority opted to use one set of C5 and three of C6. The level of graining was quite high today, but the situation should improve, even if it is hard to say if this phenomenon will disappear completely in the race. In terms of degradation, we saw that the Medium and Hard performed rather well, but as mentioned previously, the higher temperatures could mix things up a bit.

As for strategy, the fact that nine of the ten teams have kept two sets of Hard is a clear indication that this will be the main tyre for the race, with the Soft unlikely to put in an appearance ... Simulations indicate that a two-stop is the quickest strategy and for the moment, there is no indication that this could change, but we will know more tomorrow afternoon.”

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MARIO ISOLA – PIRELLI DIRECTOR OF MOTORSPORT

“ ... difference in performance between the C6 and the C5 is quite small, let’s say of the order of a tenth to a tenth and a half, and that the C6 delivers peak performance in a narrower operating window. Here in Montreal, several drivers preferred to rely on the C5 that they know well, rather than venture into chasing that extra bit of performance the C6 might offer, feeling more comfortable with a compound that gave them more confidence when it comes to tackling a tricky track like this one with its kerbs and walls. The result was a Q3 order with four yellow circles in the tyre column alongside each driver’s best lap.

The expansion of the 2025 compound range is also having the indirect effect of delivering a greater variety of approaches from the teams and drivers in terms of tyre usage over the weekend and that will be reflected in tomorrow’s race. As for strategy, we think a two-stop is still the most plausible option, favouring the use of the Medium and Hard. The one-stop is theoretically possible, but unlikely to pay off, especially as overtaking is possible here. The C6 could be a useful choice for the start, for example for those with two new sets of Hards available, who are planning a relatively short first stint or for anyone banking on an early appearance from the Safety Car.”

On AccuWeather, they said that at the start of the race, it will be 24 degrees Celsius air temperature with track temps in the high 30s, thus similar to how it was in FP2, meaning the C4 hard tyre will have a graining phase at the start of the stint. But although the teams kept 2 new hard tyres, I don't think they`ll be used in the race. Graining, at least 6 tenths slower than C5 tyre and 14 laps on C6 tyre that LEC did in qualy says all about this. Practically, it`s the same situation here with the hard tyre as it was back in Barcelona with almost all the team avoiding them, from my point of view ...
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venkyhere wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 23:42
pantherxxx wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 23:13
Maybe the Td impacted Mclaren afterall? Especially weak lap from Norris, and both Russell and Verstappen beat Piastri. Breaking stability is especially important here, more than in Barcelona. So it could have made the car harder to control.
Nothing of the sort. The only 'ace' of Mclaren that can come to the party here is traction. This track doesn't have long corners, so their 'other' typical advantages (sharp front end, stable rear, ability to run as low as possible) are absent on this particular track where the kerbs ask for higher static ride height. Make no mistake, the MCL39 was still a front row car for this track ; just that today showed up their drivers for lacking that 'final 0.5%' when it comes to putting together a near perfect lap in Q3. Guys like Verstappen and Russel thrive on coming alive for that white-knuckled lap in Q3. LeClerc too could have delivered a stunner Q3 lap (purple S1) but according to him, was 'disturbed' by dirty air from Hadjar cooling down ahead (not sure whether it's true, could well be driver error).
Here is a rear-limited and a low DF track, and at Imola is a more front-limited and high to low DF one. Despite these differences, I see more similarities between the 2 tracks: same C4-C5-C6 tyre compounds, enough traction zones, same track temps, same slow chicanes, and the same braking forces ...

So, based on those above facts, the race pace simulations on FP2, the MCL39 car's higher ride height setup, and VER starting on the first row plus having a higher top speed (+7kph than RUS and +4kph than PIA), which driver has the best winning chances in your opinion? RUS opted for a slightly higher DF level in order to keep a better rear tyre management, meaning he is on a 1-stop strategy, and also bearing in mind the new rear suspension optimizations they made after Imola and race pace simulations in FP2?
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woocasz wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 11:47
George Russell:
"Ive got a few more points on my license to play with"
ouch :D

i think drivers should ‘play that card’ with verstappen. ver when he doesn't have the fastest car is very easy to provoke. George should take advantage of this and send verstappen for a ‘rest’ :D
Casual threat issued, but don't worry, the stewards will not consider that in their judgment on the turn one clash.

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woocasz wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 11:47
George Russell:
"Ive got a few more points on my license to play with"
ouch :D

i think drivers should ‘play that card’ with verstappen. ver when he doesn't have the fastest car is very easy to provoke. George should take advantage of this and send verstappen for a ‘rest’ :D
Russell seems to be the only one that likes to poke Max.
Everyone else goes "I don't know what you are talking about", when asked about him.
Leclerc doesn't talk but matches his aggression when "aggrieved".

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De Wet wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 11:40
CMSMJ1 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 11:07
selvam_e2002 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 09:40
1st lap crash between Russel and Max. Alonso in P3. Mclaren 1 and 2.
Be more fun if there was actual tension, head to head battle and the best man won?
T1 crash would just be silly.

Looking forwards to it, but can't wait for these regulations to end.

The new PU rules for 2026 are crap.
Agreed - but these massive and fat cars are boring things and lacking in suffcient regulatory freedom.
2026 PU is poor - but that's for another thread I am sure :-k Bring on smaller and lighter and let's see how we go from there.

This race - maybe it will have some interesting action - Sainz out of position, Tsunoda also. Can we see Lando get his business together or will OP81 scoop up another haul of decent points?
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50°C track temp :shock:

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Sergej wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 20:00
50°C track temp :shock:
still too cold for the Ferrari, by the look of it. Leclerc is losing ground on hards

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search wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 20:10
Sergej wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 20:00
50°C track temp :shock:
still too cold for the Ferrari, by the look of it. Leclerc is losing ground on hards
or he's managing and going for a 1 stop, might be worth a try if he can get them to lap 38-40

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matt_b wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 20:15
search wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 20:10
Sergej wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 20:00
50°C track temp :shock:
still too cold for the Ferrari, by the look of it. Leclerc is losing ground on hards
or he's managing and going for a 1 stop, might be worth a try if he can get them to lap 38-40
maybe, but he is complaining about the tires