Was Brawn allowed to remove Mclaren fuel rig?

[komninosm]

If Brawn GP (a Mercedes linked team) could assist Mclaren (another Mercedes linked team), I dont see why a RBR receiving assistance by STR pit crew will be deemed as unsporting behavior. And btw, who is to decide?

Your lovely FIA officials (and stewards) who else? :p

BTW I see andartop failed to answer my previous post or acknowledge the "defeat" of his arguments. It takes a big man...

PS: And I thought the McLaren fans were the big cry babies. It turns out Ferrari and the rest are just as bad...

[Richard]

If Brawn GP (a Mercedes linked team) could assist Mclaren (another Mercedes linked team), I dont see why a RBR receiving assistance by STR pit crew will be deemed as unsporting behavior. And btw, who is to decide?

You seem to miss out the fact that this was a safety issue requiring immediate action (the burning fireball is a clue ). It was not providing general mechanical assistance.

Yes, there is no rule explicitly prohibiting general mechanical assistance, although I'd expect the other teams would lodge a complaint of unsporting behaviour if that occurred.

The stewards decide if actions are unsporting behaviour.

[CMSMJ1]

This thread has to be one of the most lame thread ever on this wonderful site. How is it being discussed still?

A driver needed assistance, he got it. The End..

It matters not, to us normal, non-partisan people, who the driver or the assisters were.

It matters that a safety issue was correctly resolved.

If you never saw the incident and it was described thus..

"Someone left the pits early, dragging the hose and spilling fuel, which ignited in the pit lane and so they pulled to a stop at near another team's pit. They pulled the rig off the car and could have saved a more serious issue in the pit lane."

You would say - well done to that team - A bit of sportsmanship and clear, safe thinking.

[raceman]

I agree.

[i70q7m7ghw]

If Brawn GP (a Mercedes linked team) could assist Mclaren (another Mercedes linked team), I dont see why a RBR receiving assistance by STR pit crew will be deemed as unsporting behavior. And btw, who is to decide?

Perhaps you are a Ferrari/Massa fan and you are a little upset that Felipe Baby didn't get assistance from another team when he drove off with his fuel hose attached?

IMO - what you are saying is similar to this:- Team A's garage is on fire, next door to Team B. Because Team A are championship rivals Team B decides to kick back and watch Team A burn.

More extreme perhaps, but you see my point?

[Sawtooth-spike]

I go away for a few days and this topic is still going????

I have heard no teams complaining? so why are we still talking about it?

[axle]

I go away for a few days and this topic is still going????

I have heard no teams complaining? so why are we still talking about it?

I think it's because it's a slow news week and people srtuggle to live without a conspiracy theory or injustice to waffle on about as they have little else to do.

One last time for the hard of hearing (CHT)...
Saftey is the priority and responsibility of every member of that pitlane.

[Richard]

OK - so far I'd stuck to the topic of what do the rules say, but now this thread is in la-la land ....

Team A's garage is on fire, next door to Team B. Because Team A are championship rivals Team B decides to kick back and watch Team A burn.

.... would Alonso's garage burn 6/10ths quicker?

[axle]

OK - so far I'd stuck to the topic of what do the rules say, but now this thread is in la-la land ....

Team A's garage is on fire, next door to Team B. Because Team A are championship rivals Team B decides to kick back and watch Team A burn.

.... would Alonso's garage burn 6/10ths quicker?

Yes, if it was filled with Michelins...

[pgj]

If posters would read the whole thread instead of the last post, this thread was 'done' by the end of the first page.

[CHT]

If Brawn GP (a Mercedes linked team) could assist Mclaren (another Mercedes linked team), I dont see why a RBR receiving assistance by STR pit crew will be deemed as unsporting behavior. And btw, who is to decide?

Perhaps you are a Ferrari/Massa fan and you are a little upset that Felipe Baby didn't get assistance from another team when he drove off with his fuel hose attached?

IMO - what you are saying is similar to this:- Team A's garage is on fire, next door to Team B. Because Team A are championship rivals Team B decides to kick back and watch Team A burn.

More extreme perhaps, but you see my point?

1) The reason Ferrari and Massa was brought into this discussion was purely because Massa was the only driver that has similar accident recently, not because I have to be a Ferrari or Massa fan.

On the same note, then should I also ask if you are a Mclaren fan who happens to be a brit?

2) I would appreciate if you could just check out the video on the incident again instead of trying create "fire" on the incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF_C8sxbwfg

a) Was there fire on Heikki cars?
b) If yes, why are the guys holding the fire extinguisher standing there doing nothing?
c) Why were the Brawn GP mechanics rushing out like their own cars are are pitting and then hesitated before touching the car? (0.30)
d) Why is Brawn mechanic in a hurry to release Heikki as if they are fighting for championship points on behalf of Mclaren (0.42)
e) Was Brawn cars schedule for a pitstop at lap 1?

3) When there is no complain, that doesnt mean whatever that has happened is legal, it could be possible that team like Ferrari and RBR would rather reserve such "privilege" to themselves than to destroy it.

[axle]

Q. Where does Massa park?
A. Away from any pitbox.

Q. Where does Heikki stop?
A. Outside a pit box.

There is your difference. That's why the 2 incidents were treated differently.

[komninosm]

If Brawn GP (a Mercedes linked team) could assist Mclaren (another Mercedes linked team), I dont see why a RBR receiving assistance by STR pit crew will be deemed as unsporting behavior. And btw, who is to decide?

Perhaps you are a Ferrari/Massa fan and you are a little upset that Felipe Baby didn't get assistance from another team when he drove off with his fuel hose attached?

IMO - what you are saying is similar to this:- Team A's garage is on fire, next door to Team B. Because Team A are championship rivals Team B decides to kick back and watch Team A burn.

More extreme perhaps, but you see my point?

1) The reason Ferrari and Massa was brought into this discussion was purely because Massa was the only driver that has similar accident recently, not because I have to be a Ferrari or Massa fan.

On the same note, then should I also ask if you are a Mclaren fan who happens to be a brit?

2) I would appreciate if you could just check out the video on the incident again instead of trying create "fire" on the incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF_C8sxbwfg

a) Was there fire on Heikki cars?
b) If yes, why are the guys holding the fire extinguisher standing there doing nothing?
c) Why were the Brawn GP mechanics rushing out like their own cars are are pitting and then hesitated before touching the car? (0.30)
d) Why is Brawn mechanic in a hurry to release Heikki as if they are fighting for championship points on behalf of Mclaren (0.42)
e) Was Brawn cars schedule for a pitstop at lap 1?

3) When there is no complain, that doesnt mean whatever that has happened is legal, it could be possible that team like Ferrari and RBR would rather reserve such "privilege" to themselves than to destroy it.

Earth to CHT! Try to hide your bias a bit next time.

[i70q7m7ghw]

If Brawn GP (a Mercedes linked team) could assist Mclaren (another Mercedes linked team), I dont see why a RBR receiving assistance by STR pit crew will be deemed as unsporting behavior. And btw, who is to decide?

Perhaps you are a Ferrari/Massa fan and you are a little upset that Felipe Baby didn't get assistance from another team when he drove off with his fuel hose attached?

IMO - what you are saying is similar to this:- Team A's garage is on fire, next door to Team B. Because Team A are championship rivals Team B decides to kick back and watch Team A burn.

More extreme perhaps, but you see my point?

1) The reason Ferrari and Massa was brought into this discussion was purely because Massa was the only driver that has similar accident recently, not because I have to be a Ferrari or Massa fan.

On the same note, then should I also ask if you are a Mclaren fan who happens to be a brit?

2) I would appreciate if you could just check out the video on the incident again instead of trying create "fire" on the incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF_C8sxbwfg

a) Was there fire on Heikki cars?
b) If yes, why are the guys holding the fire extinguisher standing there doing nothing?
c) Why were the Brawn GP mechanics rushing out like their own cars are are pitting and then hesitated before touching the car? (0.30)
d) Why is Brawn mechanic in a hurry to release Heikki as if they are fighting for championship points on behalf of Mclaren (0.42)
e) Was Brawn cars schedule for a pitstop at lap 1?

3) When there is no complain, that doesnt mean whatever that has happened is legal, it could be possible that team like Ferrari and RBR would rather reserve such "privilege" to themselves than to destroy it.

Look at everyones reactions in the pitlane? They are all pretty shaken and all start retreating to the garages. Brawn were already out probably just as a precaution as most teams do, it's better than not being prepared for an emergency pit stop. When Heikki decided to stop outside Brawn what were they supposed to do? It was the only place he could get help because they were at the end of the pitlane so he wouldn't have been blocking anyone from getting in to their pitbox by stopping there.

Just read everyones reactions in that video, everyone is pretty shaken up, the Brawn mechanics reacted on gut instinct for safety. Nothing else.

Ps- for the record I'm not defending McMerc or Heikki. I think Heikki is a pretty average driver who has been completely outclassed by his teammate this year. If anything I'm more of a Kimi fan

[Avto]

If McLaren was fighting Brawn for the Championship, there is very little chance they would have done what they did the most they would have done is to move McLaren out of the way and leave it with the fuel rig attached. Even if it were a safety issue no one could accuse Brawn for not helping. What they did was okay not great there are many ways you can interpret their actions. The Massa thing was a bit different no one would have followed a Ferrari out there to remove a fuel rig.