2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[majki2111]

McLaren and Honda are currently in deep ---. If they need to redesign the engine that could effect on a car. They will have to redesign whole car. I don't wanna be in Prodromou's place right now. Gathering areo info which, in the end, could be inessential.

[Jef Patat]

Can we keep it realistic. We only know about an oil tank issue and you are talking about a redesign of an engine that would mean a redesign of the complete car. You're turning a mosquito not into an elephant but into a godzilla.

[Redragon]

Mclaren asked for a size zero Honda delivered but couldn't make it work because of the limitation of tokens.

That old Shoe again.....

I think this is the 4th or 5th Time i posted the following link, but here goes:
http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Compani ... ear?page=2

Q: Some analysts say that the technological troubles you encountered stemmed from McLaren's "size zero" concept, which called for an extremely small power unit. Do you intend to make any size changes in 2016?

A: No. F1 cars cannot go fast without proper consideration given to air resistance and the way suspensions move. It's important to minimize the size of power units so that they don't interfere with the car's design. ... McLaren once told us that we don't have to be aggressive in downsizing our power unit. But we are determined to shrink the size by whatever means possible.

read the interview I posted from 2015 from Boullier, he said with his own words http://en.f1i.com/magazine/10369-hondas ... esign.html

[mclaren111]

Alonso keeps teasing us, starting a second lap on each run (on ultra-softs...) but returning to the pits without setting a time. A big aero rake is fitted to the left sidepod, so McLaren clearly has more important work to be getting on with than setting a lap time at this stage. Still, at least the thing is running, and he's got eight laps on the board already.

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[majki2111]

Can we keep it realistic. We only know about an oil tank issue and you are talking about a redesign of an engine that would mean a redesign of the complete car. You're turning a mosquito not into an elephant but into a godzilla.

I dont know. I tought if you need to redesign one part, others need to be, also. Like a chain reaction.

[Thunder]

read the interview I posted from 2015 from Boullier own words,

I did. And nothing points toward McLaren forcing them to go size Zero. It was a Decision made by both Mclaren and Honda. Honda thought they could pull it off. We know the Story from that Point on....

[wickedz50]

Alonso keeps teasing us, starting a second lap on each run (on ultra-softs...) but returning to the pits without setting a time. A big aero rake is fitted to the left sidepod, so McLaren clearly has more important work to be getting on with than setting a lap time at this stage. Still, at least the thing is running, and he's got eight laps on the board already.

SEE =D> =D> [-o< =D> =D>

Honda engine must be on safe mode only.

[namao]

Can we keep it realistic. We only know about an oil tank issue and you are talking about a redesign of an engine that would mean a redesign of the complete car. You're turning a mosquito not into an elephant but into a godzilla.

A proved bad design in the oil tank means a redesign of that element and in consequence more components of the PU. In the last 2 days, Honda tried to patch the issue and it didn't work so now the problem is how are they gonna run the engine in test without failures. When the MCL32 takes turn 3 on full throttle the oil pressure has down peaks because of the G-forces, and this could affect to the mechanical elements. Nowadays the MCL32 can't run on full power because of this.

In my opinion, the final solution will not be before Australia.

[FW17]

[youtube]https://youtu.be/ReVb5P0mdds[/youtube]

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[Redragon]

read the interview I posted from 2015 from Boullier own words,

I did. And nothing points toward McLaren forcing them to go size Zero. It was a Decision made by both Mclaren and Honda. Honda thought they could pull it off. We know the Story from that Point on....

So coming with 3 versions to fit the chasis means not much compromise from Mclaren in 2015, maybe Honda accepted the challenge but the mistake is both sides not only Honda, that's my point.

Quoting Boullier “The chassis has been designed to wrap up so compactly at the rear that we had to include all elements into a tight package with nothing sticking out. In order to achieve this, Honda actually had to make several attempts and come up with three versions of the power unit because the initial two did not meet the chassis/aero technical specifications. It took them a lot of effort.”

[Thunder]

Well based on the Interview with Arai Honda never asked for much of a compromise on the Chassis side. They believed they could make it work. Engineering Challende is what Honda embraces. They just vastly underestimated the Challenge.

[Redragon]

Well based on the Interview with Arai Honda never asked for much of a compromise on the Chassis side. They believed they could make it work. Engineering Challende is what Honda embraces. They just vastly underestimated the Challenge.

Arai words are from 2016 wher he was under granf preasure amd blamed for all the fiasco and camr after that weekend were press were asking for his head all PR. This Boullier interview is from 2015 before everything started to unveil.

[Thunder]

Let's agree to disagree then.

[Vasconia]

Alonso keeps teasing us, starting a second lap on each run (on ultra-softs...) but returning to the pits without setting a time. A big aero rake is fitted to the left sidepod, so McLaren clearly has more important work to be getting on with than setting a lap time at this stage. Still, at least the thing is running, and he's got eight laps on the board already.

SEE =D> =D> [-o< =D> =D>

Honda engine must be on safe mode only.

No times posted by Alonso, so yes, I tend to think that you are correct.

At least they are running...