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And back on topic, please. 8 chops in 2 pages. No gaps!
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https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... /10440611/

James Allison will be involved in the updates coming to the W14 at Imola.

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avantman wrote:
06 Mar 2023, 22:15
AA_2019 wrote:
06 Mar 2023, 21:21

The RB suspension is visibly softer than all others (except for AM now), yet they run the lowest giving them superior DF.

Interestingly the AM has more anti-dive on it this year.
Quite clearly AM looks a lot stiffer than Mercedes on the onboards.
Look at the helmets.
AM runs lower to the ground so bumps more. If Merc ran that low to the ground, it would break the car.
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AA_2019 wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 00:09
AM runs lower to the ground so bumps more. If Merc ran that low to the ground, it would break the car.
Have you read it somewhere and now copy past into this thread? Because I prefer to believe my eyes, and I can see and recognize the difference, when the car hits the bump on the straight and when it's shaking due to much stiffer suspension settings.
Mercedes looked super comfy, like true Merc all weekend.

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avantman wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 00:14
AA_2019 wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 00:09
AM runs lower to the ground so bumps more. If Merc ran that low to the ground, it would break the car.
Have you read it somewhere and now copy past into this thread? Because I prefer to believe my eyes, and I can see and recognize the difference, when the car hits the bump on the straight and when it's shaking due to much stiffer suspension settings.
Mercedes looked super comfy, like true Merc all weekend.
Yes Merc is softer than AMR. AMR has looked stiff since it's first runs in testing. AMR is a great car but they ran stiff. The w14 looks good ride-wise. There could still be something wrong with the way their suspension interacts with the aero especially of the floor, but the ride quality of the car at the moment on track is good, as you say

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avantman wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 00:14
AA_2019 wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 00:09
AM runs lower to the ground so bumps more. If Merc ran that low to the ground, it would break the car.
Have you read it somewhere and now copy past into this thread? Because I prefer to believe my eyes, and I can see and recognize the difference, when the car hits the bump on the straight and when it's shaking due to much stiffer suspension settings.
Mercedes looked super comfy, like true Merc all weekend.
I've seen Toto say that but about the RB and that their car would break if they tried to run it as low as RB does
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/183919/m ... inarticle1
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AMR just have more downforce than W14. I think some qualities the w14 has over the AMR.
The AMR seems to snap or lose traction on the front axle when pushing out of exits.
The W14 did not look bad when Russel or Lewis started their stints. The tyre deg on the car is what made rhe car look bad. Which may boil back down to lack of downforce and efficiency.
The good thing is that W14 is not dog slow.
I think the upcoming upgrades will give it more than 3 tenths. It may allow the drivers to push more than the simulation suggests. This is based on watching the steering wheels of Lewis and George and also how much they had to tyre save
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Luscion wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 06:34
avantman wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 00:14
AA_2019 wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 00:09
AM runs lower to the ground so bumps more. If Merc ran that low to the ground, it would break the car.
Have you read it somewhere and now copy past into this thread? Because I prefer to believe my eyes, and I can see and recognize the difference, when the car hits the bump on the straight and when it's shaking due to much stiffer suspension settings.
Mercedes looked super comfy, like true Merc all weekend.
I've seen Toto say that but about the RB and that their car would break if they tried to run it as low as RB does
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/183919/m ... inarticle1
Exactly, that's what I thought. Toto or any other random so-called expert(often having certain agenda) throws something in the air and people starting to repeat it blindly. Why is it so tough even to try think critically I wonder.

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With all the trend of water slide side pods, I wonder why mercedes hasn’t tried to replicate the solution of the MP4-26? From my layman’s perspective, I think it would fit rather well with todays regulations.

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Youhavebeendunn wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 13:14
With all the trend of water slide side pods, I wonder why mercedes hasn’t tried to replicate the solution of the MP4-26? From my layman’s perspective, I think it would fit rather well with todays regulations.
The U-pods

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From a fellow layman, I agree with you :) . Maybe having the cooling hardware out wide and away from the centreline wouldn't be good?

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ajprice wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 13:45
Youhavebeendunn wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 13:14
With all the trend of water slide side pods, I wonder why mercedes hasn’t tried to replicate the solution of the MP4-26? From my layman’s perspective, I think it would fit rather well with todays regulations.
The U-pods

https://www.pitpass.com/images/headline ... io2400.jpg

From a fellow layman, I agree with you :) . Maybe having the cooling hardware out wide and away from the centreline wouldn't be good?
This is what Aston Martin has currently. Maybe not 100%, but close.
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F1Krof wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 14:32
ajprice wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 13:45
Youhavebeendunn wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 13:14
With all the trend of water slide side pods, I wonder why mercedes hasn’t tried to replicate the solution of the MP4-26? From my layman’s perspective, I think it would fit rather well with todays regulations.
The U-pods

https://www.pitpass.com/images/headline ... io2400.jpg

From a fellow layman, I agree with you :) . Maybe having the cooling hardware out wide and away from the centreline wouldn't be good?
This is what Aston Martin has currently. Maybe not 100%, but close.
Yeah they are similar, do Aston run any hardware at all inside the outer wall sections, or aero inside them like a nosecone S duct?

Is the Aston setup something Mercedes could move to without moving much hardware around?

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F1Krof wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 14:32
ajprice wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 13:45
Youhavebeendunn wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 13:14
With all the trend of water slide side pods, I wonder why mercedes hasn’t tried to replicate the solution of the MP4-26? From my layman’s perspective, I think it would fit rather well with todays regulations.
The U-pods

https://www.pitpass.com/images/headline ... io2400.jpg

From a fellow layman, I agree with you :) . Maybe having the cooling hardware out wide and away from the centreline wouldn't be good?
This is what Aston Martin has currently. Maybe not 100%, but close.

A 2023 version with thinner sides!

Could the W14 benefit from something similar?
One day AI might be able to fix the W13 zero pod concept !

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ajprice wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 13:45
Youhavebeendunn wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 13:14
With all the trend of water slide side pods, I wonder why mercedes hasn’t tried to replicate the solution of the MP4-26? From my layman’s perspective, I think it would fit rather well with todays regulations.
The U-pods

https://www.pitpass.com/images/headline ... io2400.jpg

From a fellow layman, I agree with you :) . Maybe having the cooling hardware out wide and away from the centreline wouldn't be good?
thr beauty with the current cooling solution is they dont even need to have the hardware outwide. So they can have total freedom in shaping those ears.
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