Silly Season 2018/2019

[Pany]

because Redbull offers little money I presume. I guess they offered between 12 to 15 M€, but alonso got 30 or more from Ferrari. The same thing has now happened to Ricciardo. Is in their philosophy: First the team always; Drivers come and go and prefer new ones rather very expensive champions. From Alonsoside, I understand an offer of let's say 12 M€ could be underestimate for him, getting more than double from MCLaren.

[Zynerji]

A quote from the article

"I had a couple of offers from Red Bull," Alonso told Sky F1. "In fact I had in 2007, in 2009, in 2011, '13, and two this year, one in Monaco, and one in August.

This makes less and less sense...

Ok, I can understand rejecting them in 2007 because they were a fizzy drinks company and maybe 2009 because he had the Ferrari deal, but 2011 makes 0 sense. It was in the middle of a set of regulations that Red Bull was obviously dominating, why not go there and beat Vettel in front of the whole world?

Mark webber. Im sure he told Nando that Seb was favored.

[alexx_88]

because Redbull offers little money I presume. I guess they offered between 12 to 15 M€, but alonso got 30 or more from Ferrari. The same thing has now happened to Ricciardo. Is in their philosophy: First the team always; Drivers come and go and prefer new ones rather very expensive champions. From Alonsoside, I understand an offer of let's say 12 M€ could be underestimate for him, getting more than double from MCLaren.

I genuinely don't think money is what Alonso is after. He's (as far as I know) the only top paid driver that doesn't live in a tax heaven, but chose to pay his taxes in Spain. Imo he sees money as a recognition of his value, so he'd definitely have a problem if he was paid less than his teammate, but not with the actual amount, presuming there are other advantages.

I'm starting to think he's now realizing he's been fed BS by Flavio. Or at least that's what I think was happening. One of the most toxic elements of F1, Flavio Briatore. Making an offer to Alonso in Monaco just doesn't make sense. What would've happened if he said yes? Tell the fresh race-winner, Danny Ric, that he's out of a job because Alonso said yes? That's madness.

[alexx_88]

Mark webber. Im sure he told Nando that Seb was favored.

Maybe, but we also need to accept (and Mark as well) that he simply wasn't as fast as Vettel.

[Zynerji]

Mark webber. Im sure he told Nando that Seb was favored.

Maybe, but we also need to accept (and Mark as well) that he simply wasn't as fast as Vettel.

Agreed. But Web and Alo were pretty close if I remember correctly. Im sure Mark bitched quite a bit about his "computer" team mate at the poker table.

[alexx_88]

Agreed. But Web and Alo were pretty close if I remember correctly. Im sure Mark bitched quite a bit about his "computer" team mate at the poker table.

In the F1 podcast, Mark said that his friendship with Fernando was blown out of proportion by the media. They were friends only by F1 standards, where everyone hates each other, but they didn't really meet outside of GPs, nor were they that close.

[Ground Effect]

A quote from the article

"I had a couple of offers from Red Bull," Alonso told Sky F1. "In fact I had in 2007, in 2009, in 2011, '13, and two this year, one in Monaco, and one in August.

This makes less and less sense...

Ok, I can understand rejecting them in 2007 because they were a fizzy drinks company and maybe 2009 because he had the Ferrari deal, but 2011 makes 0 sense. It was in the middle of a set of regulations that Red Bull was obviously dominating, why not go there and beat Vettel in front of the whole world?

Hard to say, but I do know he extended his original Ferrari deal in 2011, so maybe he didn't have an exit clause

[garygph]

Just waiting for the "get out free card" to be played by Horner..and that is what exactly is classified as an offer It wasn't in writing and therefore not counted as one?

[WaikeCU]

A quote from the article

This makes less and less sense...

Ok, I can understand rejecting them in 2007 because they were a fizzy drinks company and maybe 2009 because he had the Ferrari deal, but 2011 makes 0 sense. It was in the middle of a set of regulations that Red Bull was obviously dominating, why not go there and beat Vettel in front of the whole world?

Hard to say, but I do know he extended his original Ferrari deal in 2011, so maybe he didn't have an exit clause

Kubica was heading to Ferrari in 2012, which was already set before the 2011 season even started. It was even before his accident. If Fernando was approached by RB, then probably RB knew about Kubica heading to Ferrari as well. It could well just be that Kubica was approached by RB as well, but went to Ferrari instead. So RB knew there's an opportunity to lure away Fernando.

[FrukostScones]

Ferrari: VET/RAI
Mercedes: HAM//BOT
Red Bull: VES/GAS
McLaren: SAI/OCO
Findia: STR/PER
Sauber: ERI/GIO
Toro Rosso: NOR/JEV/WEH
Haas: LEC/MAG
Williams: SIR/RUS
Renault: RIC/HUL

[kptaylor]

Ferrari: VET/RAI
Mercedes: HAM//BOT
Red Bull: VES/GAS
McLaren: SAI/OCO
Findia: STR/PER
Sauber: ERI/GIO
Toro Rosso: NOR/JEV/WEH
Haas: LEC/MAG
Williams: SIR/RUS
Renault: RIC/HUL

Agree except for OCO going to a non Merc team.

Ferrari: VET/RAI
Mercedes: HAM/BOT
Red Bull: VES/GAS
McLaren: SAI/VAN
Findia: STR/PER
Sauber: ERI/GIO
Toro Rosso: NOR/JEV
Haas: LEC/MAG
Williams: OCO/RUS
Renault: RIC/HUL

PER could be out at Williams if the KUB rumors are true but the prospect of cheaper engines with a MERC young driver may be too tempting. Definitely think that MERC "B" team piece would see SIR out. If KUB is in at Williams, then OCO stays at FIndia and Perez is out or goes to Haas with GRO out.

[NathanOlder]

Hartley has been told if he has some decent performances for the reminder of 2018 , his seat is safe

[Big Tea]

Hartley has been told if he has some decent performances for the reminder of 2018 , his seat is safe

Not much chance of that then?

[djos]

TBH I think he's been showing signs of getting it together, he's definitely got potential.

[roon]

Many races to go yet.