2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

[maxxer]

So in other words Renault are going to try and prove that RP have internals from the W10. Smart if it’s true as how can RP explain that away?

What do you mean with “RP have internals from the W10”? It IS the W10.

Funniest of it all is that quite frankly, brake ducts are one of the most adaptable parts on the car, so i'm expecting a total clean report here from the FIA. Hell, even if the RP is a 1:1 copy of the Abu Dhabi W10, then all Merc has to do is send an Aussie spec brake duct and we'll get a 'nothing to see here'.
Matter of fact, Mercedes has a score to settle with FIA over the suspicious FIA & Ferrari secret deal, so i'm inclined to feel that even IF the RP brake duct turns out to be a 1:1 copy, it'll be in both RP and Merc's favour in the end anyway.

It's really a meaningless move from Renault to be honest. RP is not gonna run a carbon copy car if it would get them caught, and Mercedes would not be giving them the blueprints as it would completely destroy their scot-free reputation right now for what?

Is there more to it? Yeah, no doubt about it. Not even a blind person would buy that the RP is just a 'successfull insipration' from the W10, and Mercedes apparant silence on the matter (after all, they aren't sueing RP for copy infringement of any sorts) only adds fuel to the fire. Somehow I think there somebody was given permission to 'randomly' make some USB stick copies from certain computer data, and somehow that same person also ended up at a RP connection. Whether that is actually 'part of the plan' if Mercedes shockingly would be intending to leave the sport and continue in an Aston Martin fashion with RP and TOTO ends up there, is just one of a thousand colourful ideas that can be thrown at it.

But let's be honest here.

this will yield NO result, whatsoever.

Renault can cry all they want, when Mclaren has the same engine but is doing a better job, then you should not be focusing on nifty RP moves, you should work on yourself.

On sky i think they said fia has already been to both hq's and checked the blueprints and didnt find anything then.
This is just renault being a sad team and probably their funding is ending end of this season with renault cars being in so much trouble needing government funding + no one want to use their engines for next year , time to pull the plug and move on. Ocon being the only technical dnf this race .... shows

[Restomaniac]

What do you mean with “RP have internals from the W10”? It IS the W10.

Funniest of it all is that quite frankly, brake ducts are one of the most adaptable parts on the car, so i'm expecting a total clean report here from the FIA. Hell, even if the RP is a 1:1 copy of the Abu Dhabi W10, then all Merc has to do is send an Aussie spec brake duct and we'll get a 'nothing to see here'.
Matter of fact, Mercedes has a score to settle with FIA over the suspicious FIA & Ferrari secret deal, so i'm inclined to feel that even IF the RP brake duct turns out to be a 1:1 copy, it'll be in both RP and Merc's favour in the end anyway.

It's really a meaningless move from Renault to be honest. RP is not gonna run a carbon copy car if it would get them caught, and Mercedes would not be giving them the blueprints as it would completely destroy their scot-free reputation right now for what?

Is there more to it? Yeah, no doubt about it. Not even a blind person would buy that the RP is just a 'successfull insipration' from the W10, and Mercedes apparant silence on the matter (after all, they aren't sueing RP for copy infringement of any sorts) only adds fuel to the fire. Somehow I think there somebody was given permission to 'randomly' make some USB stick copies from certain computer data, and somehow that same person also ended up at a RP connection. Whether that is actually 'part of the plan' if Mercedes shockingly would be intending to leave the sport and continue in an Aston Martin fashion with RP and TOTO ends up there, is just one of a thousand colourful ideas that can be thrown at it.

But let's be honest here.

this will yield NO result, whatsoever.

Renault can cry all they want, when Mclaren has the same engine but is doing a better job, then you should not be focusing on nifty RP moves, you should work on yourself.

On sky i think they said fia has already been to both hq's and checked the blueprints and didnt find anything then.
This is just renault being a sad team and probably their funding is ending end of this season with renault cars being in so much trouble needing government funding + no one want to use their engines for next year , time to pull the plug and move on. Ocon being the only technical dnf this race .... shows

If that we’re the case then the FIA would have thrown this request out instead they’ve sealed and impounded parts.

[Zynerji]

Funniest of it all is that quite frankly, brake ducts are one of the most adaptable parts on the car, so i'm expecting a total clean report here from the FIA. Hell, even if the RP is a 1:1 copy of the Abu Dhabi W10, then all Merc has to do is send an Aussie spec brake duct and we'll get a 'nothing to see here'.
Matter of fact, Mercedes has a score to settle with FIA over the suspicious FIA & Ferrari secret deal, so i'm inclined to feel that even IF the RP brake duct turns out to be a 1:1 copy, it'll be in both RP and Merc's favour in the end anyway.

It's really a meaningless move from Renault to be honest. RP is not gonna run a carbon copy car if it would get them caught, and Mercedes would not be giving them the blueprints as it would completely destroy their scot-free reputation right now for what?

Is there more to it? Yeah, no doubt about it. Not even a blind person would buy that the RP is just a 'successfull insipration' from the W10, and Mercedes apparant silence on the matter (after all, they aren't sueing RP for copy infringement of any sorts) only adds fuel to the fire. Somehow I think there somebody was given permission to 'randomly' make some USB stick copies from certain computer data, and somehow that same person also ended up at a RP connection. Whether that is actually 'part of the plan' if Mercedes shockingly would be intending to leave the sport and continue in an Aston Martin fashion with RP and TOTO ends up there, is just one of a thousand colourful ideas that can be thrown at it.

But let's be honest here.

this will yield NO result, whatsoever.

Renault can cry all they want, when Mclaren has the same engine but is doing a better job, then you should not be focusing on nifty RP moves, you should work on yourself.

On sky i think they said fia has already been to both hq's and checked the blueprints and didnt find anything then.
This is just renault being a sad team and probably their funding is ending end of this season with renault cars being in so much trouble needing government funding + no one want to use their engines for next year , time to pull the plug and move on. Ocon being the only technical dnf this race .... shows

If that we’re the case then the FIA would have thrown this request out instead they’ve sealed and impounded parts.

Stepneygate 2?

[dans79]

If that we’re the case then the FIA would have thrown this request out instead they’ve sealed and impounded parts.

It doesn't work that way. Just like when Mercedes got the okay for DAS, Red Bull still protested because the stewards are slightly different than the FIA.

If anything this is just a childish retaliation for Japan last year.

[fritticaldi]

Racing Point risks both drivers being excluded from the results if found guilty. Racing Point is the team that has improved in performance the most over last year. There is increasing speculation that their design & parts were done without their own merit and intellect.

[MtthsMlw]

Appendix 6, Paragraph 2 c)
In the case of the Outsourcing of design, such third party shall not be a competitor or a party that directly or indirectly designs Listed Parts for any competitor.

Question:
Is Renault arguing that RP's design of the brake ducts is essentially outsourced to Merc as they "really" designed them for their W10 and RP just copied them down to the millimetre (see here).
That would be illegal since Merc is obviously a competitor.
Kinda comes down to the definition of what designing means.

[Big Tea]

So does that mean they do not have access to the cars to ship and prepare for next week?

It's the front and rear brake ducts. They should have a couple of them
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... rotest.pdf

I thought they were impounding the whole car lol

[zibby43]

Funniest of it all is that quite frankly, brake ducts are one of the most adaptable parts on the car, so i'm expecting a total clean report here from the FIA. Hell, even if the RP is a 1:1 copy of the Abu Dhabi W10, then all Merc has to do is send an Aussie spec brake duct and we'll get a 'nothing to see here'.
Matter of fact, Mercedes has a score to settle with FIA over the suspicious FIA & Ferrari secret deal, so i'm inclined to feel that even IF the RP brake duct turns out to be a 1:1 copy, it'll be in both RP and Merc's favour in the end anyway.

It's really a meaningless move from Renault to be honest. RP is not gonna run a carbon copy car if it would get them caught, and Mercedes would not be giving them the blueprints as it would completely destroy their scot-free reputation right now for what?

Is there more to it? Yeah, no doubt about it. Not even a blind person would buy that the RP is just a 'successfull insipration' from the W10, and Mercedes apparant silence on the matter (after all, they aren't sueing RP for copy infringement of any sorts) only adds fuel to the fire. Somehow I think there somebody was given permission to 'randomly' make some USB stick copies from certain computer data, and somehow that same person also ended up at a RP connection. Whether that is actually 'part of the plan' if Mercedes shockingly would be intending to leave the sport and continue in an Aston Martin fashion with RP and TOTO ends up there, is just one of a thousand colourful ideas that can be thrown at it.

But let's be honest here.

this will yield NO result, whatsoever.

Renault can cry all they want, when Mclaren has the same engine but is doing a better job, then you should not be focusing on nifty RP moves, you should work on yourself.

On sky i think they said fia has already been to both hq's and checked the blueprints and didnt find anything then.
This is just renault being a sad team and probably their funding is ending end of this season with renault cars being in so much trouble needing government funding + no one want to use their engines for next year , time to pull the plug and move on. Ocon being the only technical dnf this race .... shows

If that we’re the case then the FIA would have thrown this request out instead they’ve sealed and impounded parts.

Yeah but the stewards aren't technical experts. If a technical protest has complied with all the procedural requirements, it's going to be accepted. In the case of DAS, the timing of the protest was such that a ruling was needed that weekend, and an FIA technical delegate was on hand to adjudicate.

In this instance, it's extremely likely that the stewards will accept the protest as a procedural matter so that the evidence may be collected. It will then be forwarded on to the relevant FIA Technical Delegates. Which is what has transpired thus far.

[Big Tea]

Okay, so Bottas pushed Verstappen off the track on the exit of the corner during his first overtake. Verstappen is the faster car and ahead...but no penalty.

So Perez pushes Albon off the track on the exit of the corner. Albon is the faster car and ahead and they contact...but no penalty.

So Stroll pushes Ricciardo so wide that Stroll himself drives completely off the track costing Ricciardo two places...but no penalty.

F***ing Stewards.

Stroll pushed Norris on to the kerbs in T4 too. No penalty.

Funny how penalties follow the title race at times. Almost like someone is trying engineer excitement over the season.

Not even a black/white flag.
That flag is still a thing, right?
They didn't use them all up last year?

They had one, and used it on Gasly for track limits. Maybe it was used up by then

[dans79]

So does that mean they do not have access to the cars to ship and prepare for next week?

It's the front and rear brake ducts. They should have a couple of them
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... rotest.pdf

I thought they were impounding the whole car lol

Renault was probably hoping for that.

[Big Tea]

On sky i think they said fia has already been to both hq's and checked the blueprints and didnt find anything then.
This is just renault being a sad team and probably their funding is ending end of this season with renault cars being in so much trouble needing government funding + no one want to use their engines for next year , time to pull the plug and move on. Ocon being the only technical dnf this race .... shows

If that we’re the case then the FIA would have thrown this request out instead they’ve sealed and impounded parts.

Yeah but the stewards aren't technical experts. If a technical protest has complied with all the procedural requirements, it's going to be accepted. In the case of DAS, the timing of the protest was such that a ruling was needed that weekend, and an FIA technical delegate was on hand to adjudicate.

In this instance, it's extremely likely that the stewards will accept the protest as a procedural matter so that the evidence may be collected. It will then be forwarded on to the relevant FIA Technical Delegates. Which is what has transpired thus far.

But... did they have the same ducts on when FIA examined it?

[Restomaniac]

On sky i think they said fia has already been to both hq's and checked the blueprints and didnt find anything then.
This is just renault being a sad team and probably their funding is ending end of this season with renault cars being in so much trouble needing government funding + no one want to use their engines for next year , time to pull the plug and move on. Ocon being the only technical dnf this race .... shows

If that we’re the case then the FIA would have thrown this request out instead they’ve sealed and impounded parts.

Yeah but the stewards aren't technical experts. If a technical protest has complied with all the procedural requirements, it's going to be accepted. In the case of DAS, the timing of the protest was such that a ruling was needed that weekend, and an FIA technical delegate was on hand to adjudicate.

In this instance, it's extremely likely that the stewards will accept the protest as a procedural matter so that the evidence may be collected. It will then be forwarded on to the relevant FIA Technical Delegates. Which is what has transpired thus far.

True but the FIA have already that there is nothing untoward. Therefore when the stewards forwarded this you would expect them to just green light the RP.

It’s rather odd that the FIA haven’t just said ‘nothing to see here‘ instead of compounding parts.

[dans79]

If that we’re the case then the FIA would have thrown this request out instead they’ve sealed and impounded parts.

Yeah but the stewards aren't technical experts. If a technical protest has complied with all the procedural requirements, it's going to be accepted. In the case of DAS, the timing of the protest was such that a ruling was needed that weekend, and an FIA technical delegate was on hand to adjudicate.

In this instance, it's extremely likely that the stewards will accept the protest as a procedural matter so that the evidence may be collected. It will then be forwarded on to the relevant FIA Technical Delegates. Which is what has transpired thus far.

True but the FIA have already that there is nothing untoward. Therefore when the stewards forwarded this you would expect them to just green light the RP.

It’s rather odd that the FIA haven’t just said ‘nothing to see here‘ instead of compounding parts.

it doesn't work that way, procedures must be followed no matter what. That means the delegate must receive the evidence and examine it, even if he literally looked at the exact same parts the day before.

[Restomaniac]

Yeah but the stewards aren't technical experts. If a technical protest has complied with all the procedural requirements, it's going to be accepted. In the case of DAS, the timing of the protest was such that a ruling was needed that weekend, and an FIA technical delegate was on hand to adjudicate.

In this instance, it's extremely likely that the stewards will accept the protest as a procedural matter so that the evidence may be collected. It will then be forwarded on to the relevant FIA Technical Delegates. Which is what has transpired thus far.

True but the FIA have already that there is nothing untoward. Therefore when the stewards forwarded this you would expect them to just green light the RP.

It’s rather odd that the FIA haven’t just said ‘nothing to see here‘ instead of compounding parts.

it doesn't work that way, procedures must be followed no matter what. That means the delegate must receive the evidence and examine it, even if he literally looked at the exact same parts the day before.

Then the procedures are idiotic.

[dans79]

True but the FIA have already that there is nothing untoward. Therefore when the stewards forwarded this you would expect them to just green light the RP.

It’s rather odd that the FIA haven’t just said ‘nothing to see here‘ instead of compounding parts.

it doesn't work that way, procedures must be followed no matter what. That means the delegate must receive the evidence and examine it, even if he literally looked at the exact same parts the day before.

Then the procedures are idiotic.

You never want to work for a government then, you will be unhappy.