Yeah I’m still confused why Sochi this year should be a Merc track. As soon as we leave the very low DF tracks, RBs downforce is the package to beat everywhere, unless they are off with the setup as in Budapest. Merc will need one more upgrade, as was rumoured to come in Zandvoort, but I did not see anything. Might still be to come.ringo wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 19:29Sochi i think Redbull can be on pole.
I would love to see mercedes and mclaren have an advantage over Redbull though. Im just hoping the honda has not improved enough to make redbull top dog there.
Lewis will need a health dose of points before the redbull tracks come into play.
Sochi is fairly low downforce as well.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 20:14Yeah I’m still confused why Sochi this year should be a Merc track. As soon as we leave the very low DF tracks, RBs downforce is the package to beat everywhere, unless they are off with the setup as in Budapest. Merc will need one more upgrade, as was rumoured to come in Zandvoort, but I did not see anything. Might still be to come.ringo wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 19:29Sochi i think Redbull can be on pole.
I would love to see mercedes and mclaren have an advantage over Redbull though. Im just hoping the honda has not improved enough to make redbull top dog there.
Lewis will need a health dose of points before the redbull tracks come into play.
We need that upgrade to come! I hope they deliver…Tvetovnato wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 20:14Yeah I’m still confused why Sochi this year should be a Merc track. As soon as we leave the very low DF tracks, RBs downforce is the package to beat everywhere, unless they are off with the setup as in Budapest. Merc will need one more upgrade, as was rumoured to come in Zandvoort, but I did not see anything. Might still be to come.ringo wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 19:29Sochi i think Redbull can be on pole.
I would love to see mercedes and mclaren have an advantage over Redbull though. Im just hoping the honda has not improved enough to make redbull top dog there.
Lewis will need a health dose of points before the redbull tracks come into play.
Indeed they are, but my main point is that what’s happened in the past isn’t a good indicator of what’s to come this year. Baku and France have been good hunting grounds in the hybrid era, but this year less so. The inherent rear stability of the bull is a strength everwhere this year, and will be key in Sochi too. It’s gonna be close I’m sure, but it’s not a given that Merc will be the pace setters.zibby43 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 20:39Sochi is fairly low downforce as well.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 20:14Yeah I’m still confused why Sochi this year should be a Merc track. As soon as we leave the very low DF tracks, RBs downforce is the package to beat everywhere, unless they are off with the setup as in Budapest. Merc will need one more upgrade, as was rumoured to come in Zandvoort, but I did not see anything. Might still be to come.ringo wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 19:29Sochi i think Redbull can be on pole.
I would love to see mercedes and mclaren have an advantage over Redbull though. Im just hoping the honda has not improved enough to make redbull top dog there.
Lewis will need a health dose of points before the redbull tracks come into play.
And Merc are undefeated there in the hybrid era.
I’d say there’s some truth to your statement re: past success and correlation with this year, but we have to acknowledge that Hungary and Monza were 2 of Merc’s most dominant tracks last year, and Merc had 4+ tenths margins this year at both.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 21:39Indeed they are, but my main point is that what’s happened in the past isn’t a good indicator of what’s to come this year. Baku and France have been good hunting grounds in the hybrid era, but this year less so. The inherent rear stability of the bull is a strength everwhere this year, and will be key in Sochi too. It’s gonna be close I’m sure, but it’s not a given that Merc will be the pace setters.zibby43 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 20:39Sochi is fairly low downforce as well.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 20:14
Yeah I’m still confused why Sochi this year should be a Merc track. As soon as we leave the very low DF tracks, RBs downforce is the package to beat everywhere, unless they are off with the setup as in Budapest. Merc will need one more upgrade, as was rumoured to come in Zandvoort, but I did not see anything. Might still be to come.
And Merc are undefeated there in the hybrid era.
Budapest was mainly RB underperforming than Merc having a better car. Monza racepace looked like Merc had a slight edge, but not by a big margin. To add further to this, take Silverstone as an example. Last year they were crushing the opposition, this year not. Yes, Friday pole, but RB engineers confirmed it was temp related, and we saw in the sprint race that they had a slight edge again.zibby43 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 23:18I’d say there’s some truth to your statement re: past success and correlation with this year, but we have to acknowledge that Hungary and Monza were 2 of Merc’s most dominant tracks last year, and Merc had 4+ tenths margins this year at both.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 21:39Indeed they are, but my main point is that what’s happened in the past isn’t a good indicator of what’s to come this year. Baku and France have been good hunting grounds in the hybrid era, but this year less so. The inherent rear stability of the bull is a strength everwhere this year, and will be key in Sochi too. It’s gonna be close I’m sure, but it’s not a given that Merc will be the pace setters.
He thrives of off these. With this mentality, he'll not only never win a wdc, but also be a huge liability on track.