That's should be 2018 or 2019 car.west52keep64 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2021, 23:17Heh, that's a little confusing. I assume this is a mule car?
If they didn't get any running, do we think that could impact their 2022 development? My understanding is all teams are being given equal opportunity to run the new tyres and rims, but if there a technical difficulties then I guess it's tough luck?
- Fernando AlonsoWe don't have probably the fastest car on the midfield, but we seem to have, you know, probably the best team on the midfield, so that allowed us to score points every Sunday.
He doesn't mention McLaren at all.JordanMugen wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 01:16- Fernando AlonsoWe don't have probably the fastest car on the midfield, but we seem to have, you know, probably the best team on the midfield, so that allowed us to score points every Sunday.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alon ... r/6667821/
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So when Alpine finally replace their old engine and old chassis in 2022, will Alpine be up there with McLaren fighting for race victories?
That's true, but they are midfield competitors who started at the same place (in the midfield) and previously used the same power units.
Excellent!
Interesting point.. I’d like to add to it there’s also the possibility that even if you could potentially “share” information on aero, this year has shown how badly that can go if it goes bad with Aston Martin, basically being a mouth piece for Mercedes’ struggles regarding the floor. I think this scenario more than any rules will make them think twice about working so closely together again hopefully.diffuser wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 20:39The rules weren't there in that nobody had though of and/or the ability wasn't there to designing a car based on photos of another.
They've improved the rules but they may not be perfect..they may need adjusting.
Several scenarios made the RP coping of the 2019 Merc even a consideration.
1 - the technology was there.
2- the 2019 Merc was 2 seconds or more faster than the 2019 RP.
3 - Merc already had found changes for 2020 Merc that they weren't threatened by RP using the 2019 Designs.
The reason the Mercs were so much faster was cause of running for several years with triple or may more or RP's budget.
The introduction of the CAP has eliminated points 2 and 3.
Hopefully the regs take care of the rest.
This still remains to be seen but in the future if any car is consistently 1 second a lap faster than the slowest car, people will start to question if they are cheating. The cut off might not be one second, it might be larger or smaller but something like that. The big 3 were only the big three cause they spent so much more money that everyone else.
It appears to me, since McLaren are battling Ferrari for 3ird, he's not considering them as midfield.JordanMugen wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 03:46That's true, but they are midfield competitors who started at the same place (in the midfield) and previously used the same power units.
If I am not mistaken the McLaren chassis came from behind, overtook and was already starting to edge ahead of the Renault in 2019 and 2020, despite identical power units at the time? Some might say McLaren have shown a greater rate of improvement than Renault.
I guess you could pinpoint the 2019 RS19 as not bringing the improvement over the 2018 RS18 which Renault would have expected, therefore setting Renault back in their development efforts? I.e., needing to catch up again, instead of surging forwards towards racing Mercedes and Red Bull.
2017:
6th Renault 57 pts
9th McLaren-Honda 30 pts
2018:
4th Renault 122 pts
6th McLaren-Renault 62 pts
2019:
4th McLaren-Renault 145 pts
5th Renault 91 pts
2020:
3rd McLaren-Renault 202 pts
5th Renault 181 pts
2021 (incomplete):
3rd McLaren-Mercedes 215 pts
5th Alpine-Renault 95 pts
Excellent!
For comparison's sake here is Renault's previous progression. It would be unusual, but not impossible to go directly from 5th fastest to fastest car.
2001: 7th Benetton-Renault 10 pts
2002: 4th Renault 23 pts
2003: 4th Renault 88 pts
2004: 3rd Renault 105 pts
2005: 1st Renault 191 pts
2006: 1st Renault 206 pts
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alpi ... i/6671420/Alpine expects return to normal F1 form at Sochi.
Budkowski said the team knew in advance that Monza will be a struggle for the A521.
"Sochi will be better, not quite perfect for us, but better," he told Motorsport.com. "I think we should be back to our level of competitiveness that we've had so far, which means qualifying in the top 10, and racing for slightly bigger points.
"I think given our starting positions to be honest both cars in the points is a decent result. Monza is a circuit where we knew we'd suffer, as our package is not the most adapted to these kind of circuits.
"Honestly, coming out of here with five points in the bag, with AlphaTauri not scoring, actually it's a pretty decent weekend.
The comment below the article puts a slightly different tinge on it...diffuser wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 22:50Fairly interesting article...
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/94523/al ... group.html
While 'shameful' maybe a bit overstating it, if you consider he meant it as a neutral term, then he could simply be talking about the restructure and how everything is more streamlined now. But it was encouraging to read some of the other aspects of performance that Rossi mentioned and the team seems to have improved on. Positive signs for next year that they're starting to get their processes right.What a shitty clickbait translation.
The word used by Laurent Rossi, in the German paper (probably translated from English" was "Thema" not "Problem".
"Thema" is neutral. Like theme or topic or subject.
Translating it to a "problem" for the whole Renault group is misleading and shameful.
Warms my heartWouter wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 20:29https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alpi ... i/6671420/Alpine expects return to normal F1 form at Sochi.
Budkowski said the team knew in advance that Monza will be a struggle for the A521.
"Sochi will be better, not quite perfect for us, but better," he told Motorsport.com. "I think we should be back to our level of competitiveness that we've had so far, which means qualifying in the top 10, and racing for slightly bigger points.
"I think given our starting positions to be honest both cars in the points is a decent result. Monza is a circuit where we knew we'd suffer, as our package is not the most adapted to these kind of circuits.
"Honestly, coming out of here with five points in the bag, with AlphaTauri not scoring, actually it's a pretty decent weekend.
Max <----> Fernando.
two elites!
