2021 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi, Sep 24 - 26

[dans79]

I believe these are still correct.

https://www.racefans.net/2015/03/08/the ... -a-glance/

[TimW]

Penalties are hardly ever work out truly fair. A 'good' system is almost impossible. E.g. : Penalties are often nullified for the fastest and s slowest car on the grid. A grid penalty in Monaco is incomparable to e.g. Baku. Nobody likes grid penalties for engine changes, they are more like a necessary evil, frequently double punishing drivers with bad luck, who already had a dnf because of an engine failure. Etc.

I think the current system is quite decent.... But I also tend to agree with steward decisions, so maybe it is just me....

[Big Tea]

What about if and 'combined penalties' become a pit lane start?
This of course could often become an advantage in changeable conditions, but it does mean the penalty is served and the car will be at the back of the field in about 20 seconds anyway

[TimW]

I don't think combined penalties are enough of an issue (except maybe to fanboys) to warrant a further complication of the rules.

[basti313]

What about if and 'combined penalties' become a pit lane start?
This of course could often become an advantage in changeable conditions, but it does mean the penalty is served and the car will be at the back of the field in about 20 seconds anyway

This sounds like a bad fix to a non existing problem.
- Pitlane start is no penalty. You can change the setup. See Perez in Zandvoord.
- In a first corner crash you stay out of trouble with a pit lane start.
- 20sec is not realistic. For Per it was 6sec after the first lap and this is a track with a slow pit exit. Gas was behind Maz after lap 1 in Monza.

[codetower]

What about if and 'combined penalties' become a pit lane start?
This of course could often become an advantage in changeable conditions, but it does mean the penalty is served and the car will be at the back of the field in about 20 seconds anyway

This sounds like a bad fix to a non existing problem.
- Pitlane start is no penalty. You can change the setup. See Perez in Zandvoord.
- In a first corner crash you stay out of trouble with a pit lane start.
- 20sec is not realistic. For Per it was 6sec after the first lap and this is a track with a slow pit exit. Gas was behind Maz after lap 1 in Monza.

I think once you go beyond the 20th place, each extra 5 places the team would take a 5-10 second stop and go penalty. So lets say Driver A qualifies 10th, but has a total of 15 places of penalty, he would start 20th and have a 10 second stop n go.

[pb6797]

What about if and 'combined penalties' become a pit lane start?
This of course could often become an advantage in changeable conditions, but it does mean the penalty is served and the car will be at the back of the field in about 20 seconds anyway

This sounds like a bad fix to a non existing problem.
- Pitlane start is no penalty. You can change the setup. See Perez in Zandvoord.
- In a first corner crash you stay out of trouble with a pit lane start.
- 20sec is not realistic. For Per it was 6sec after the first lap and this is a track with a slow pit exit. Gas was behind Maz after lap 1 in Monza.

I think once you go beyond the 20th place, each extra 5 places the team would take a 5-10 second stop and go penalty. So lets say Driver A qualifies 10th, but has a total of 15 places of penalty, he would start 20th and have a 10 second stop n go.

If we did that we'd still be waiting for Button to finish the 2015 Spa Grand Prix

[Chuckjr]

If there’s rain I say put all new engine in Max’s car since it nullifies the grid penalty and rain races have so many variables it often is better to not be leading. We saw what happened to Ham this year already and could easily happen again because rain brings so many unforeseen variables. Rain also brings more passing opportunities because of the constantly changing tire usage from the weather and more mistakes from drivers. Often there are yellows and circumstances that nullify things like 20 place grid penalties. I say make the changes if it’s gonna rain.

[El Scorchio]

I don't think combined penalties are enough of an issue (except maybe to fanboys) to warrant a further complication of the rules.

Agree. I suppose people are asking the question because it's slightly unique circumstances IF he takes new engine parts as well as the penalty and no-one seems to know 100% what the rules are. You could grumble about the engine change mitigating the penalty, but then again, Hamilton still won the British GP and mitigated his penalty there too. The rules have their quirks and inadequacies sometimes, but they are the rules and they are the same for all the teams and drivers.

[El Scorchio]

If there’s rain I say put all new engine in Max’s car since it nullifies the grid penalty and rain races have so many variables it often is better to not be leading. We saw what happened to Ham this year already and could easily happen again because rain brings so many unforeseen variables. Rain also brings more passing opportunities because of the constantly changing tire usage from the weather and more mistakes from drivers. Often there are yellows and circumstances that nullify things like 20 place grid penalties. I say make the changes if it’s gonna rain.

Speaking of which, does anyone know what the weather is doing at the moment? Are we looking at tarmac or water?

[NathanOlder]

If there’s rain I say put all new engine in Max’s car since it nullifies the grid penalty and rain races have so many variables it often is better to not be leading. We saw what happened to Ham this year already and could easily happen again because rain brings so many unforeseen variables. Rain also brings more passing opportunities because of the constantly changing tire usage from the weather and more mistakes from drivers. Often there are yellows and circumstances that nullify things like 20 place grid penalties. I say make the changes if it’s gonna rain.

Speaking of which, does anyone know what the weather is doing at the moment? Are we looking at tarmac or water?

Lovely dry sunshine right now.

[El Scorchio]

If there’s rain I say put all new engine in Max’s car since it nullifies the grid penalty and rain races have so many variables it often is better to not be leading. We saw what happened to Ham this year already and could easily happen again because rain brings so many unforeseen variables. Rain also brings more passing opportunities because of the constantly changing tire usage from the weather and more mistakes from drivers. Often there are yellows and circumstances that nullify things like 20 place grid penalties. I say make the changes if it’s gonna rain.

Speaking of which, does anyone know what the weather is doing at the moment? Are we looking at tarmac or water?

Lovely dry sunshine right now.

Ah yes- looks fine doesn't it!

[El Scorchio]

Lots of sparks from the underside of the Red Bull

[NathanOlder]

Was there a problem for Max at the start of the session ? Took 15 mins before he left the garage, and has done the least amount of laps of the 20 drivers today.

[TimW]

Was there a problem for Max at the start of the session ? Took 15 mins before he left the garage, and has done the least amount of laps of the 20 drivers today.

They saw godlameroso's predictions and are now preserving the hard tires for the race!