2021 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi, Sep 24 - 26

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RZS10 wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 18:11
That list is for the extensive checks in the post race scrutineering. Which document are you quoting?

For example Monaco https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... eering.pdf
Car numbers 44, 33, 11, 04, 18, 05, 31, 55, 10 and 99 were checked for the following:
1) Bodywork around the front wheels
2) Front wing height and overhang
3) Rear wing height and overhang
4) Front and rear wing width
5) Rear wing configuration
6) Rear bodywork area
7) Rear winglet height
8) Skidblock thickness
9) Stepped bottom
10) Diffuser height
11) Diffuser area
12) Overall height
13) Overall width
The profile of the in Article 3.3.1 of the 2021 Formula One Technical Regulations prescribed front
wing section was checked on car numbers 44, 33, 11, 04, 18, 05, 31, 55, 10 and 99.
The minimum distance between the adjacent rear wing sections at any longitudinal vertical plane was
checked on car numbers 44, 33, 11, 04, 18, 05, 31, 55, 10 and 99.
It was confirmed for car numbers 44, 33, 11, 04, 18, 05, 31, 55, 10 and 99 that any vertical cross
section of bodywork normal to the car centre line and situated in the volumes defined in Article 3.5.7
form one tangent continuous curve on its external surface with a radius no less than 75mm.
The concave radius of sections of the two rear wing elements which are in contact with the external
air stream was checked on car numbers 44, 33, 11, 04, 18, 05, 31, 55, 10 and 99.
The front and rear brake air duct dimensions were checked on car numbers 44, 33, 11, 04, 18, 05,
31, 55, 10 and 99.
Ah alright, found them ... the naming of the pdf files is a bit inconsistent.
Bahrain -Bottas
Imola - Kimi
Portugal - Norris
Spain - Perez
Monaco - Verstappen
Baku - Alonso
France - Stroll
Styria - Tsunoda
Austria - Gasly
No document for England?
Hungary - Alonso 2nd time
No document for Belgium?
Netherlands - Max 2nd time
No document for Italy?
Russia supposedly Max 3rd

His car being checked again after this race must be from some news report, i guess.

It IS a grand conspiracy afterall https://i.imgur.com/aAqg1Ln.png ... or it's just how "random" out of 10 cars works. With all the other checks it evens out.
is this the Italy doc: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... eering.pdf
and Belgium: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... eering.pdf
I was unable to find one for the Brittish GP. Maybe they didn't "scrutineer" that day...

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Those are the standard scrutineering reports where i counted the extensive checks, those aren't the "more extensive physical inspections"
For example this is the document posted under the Azerbaijan GP docs but for Monaco:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... ctions.pdf

btw ... One can do a small test with any random number generator (1-10), use it 11 times (for all races with available docs) and write down the numbers. The result will show that Max' car being checked 2 (potentially 3) times is nothing out of the ordinary, especially since he's among the drivers who would have been in the top10 the most.

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Wrong driver

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f1jcw wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 19:54
Wrong driver
Compared to RBR and Mercedes, McLaren is ABSOLUTELY an "under dog" on the grid... :roll:

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Wouter wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 14:24
Toto was afraid that the new 4thPU from Monza not would finish this race, so Valtteri got a 5th PU.

Valtteri posted on his IG story a nice picture, how he thinks about all this.

https://sportsugar.com/valtteri-bottas- ... gp-issues/

Just after the race: https://www.instagram.com/stories/valtt ... 042285306/

Many people all over the world are proud of him, that het let the door wide open for Max.

It is strange not only is that picture not on his Instagram, but the profile has no star, hmmm

I think you might be spreading falsehoods

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Zynerji wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 19:56
f1jcw wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 19:54
Wrong driver
Compared to RBR and Mercedes, McLaren is ABSOLUTELY an "under dog" on the grid... :roll:

The post that was quoted was about max.

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f1jcw wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 19:57
Wouter wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 14:24
Toto was afraid that the new 4thPU from Monza not would finish this race, so Valtteri got a 5th PU.

Valtteri posted on his IG story a nice picture, how he thinks about all this.

https://sportsugar.com/valtteri-bottas- ... gp-issues/

Just after the race: https://www.instagram.com/stories/valtt ... 042285306/

Many people all over the world are proud of him, that het let the door wide open for Max.

It is strange not only is that picture not on his Instagram, but the profile has no star, hmmm

I think you might be spreading falsehoods
I am spreading falsehoods ??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Did you read the article I posted? Did you see the picture of Vallteri's IG story they posted?
Did you take a look at his IG story, the link that I posted, before an hour ago?
It disappears after 24 hours you know.

Maybe think twice before accusing someone of spreading falsehoods!


https://www.motormouth.club/post/valtte ... gp-issues/

https://newyorkfolk.com/sport/bottas-po ... gp-issues/

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/95075/bo ... gines.html
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Manoah2u wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 01:43
Well, i'm gonna go out and be critical here and say Norris lost -deservingly.
Yes, he did a great race but - and i'm aware few will agree to my view here - Norris has far too much ego, which is what cost him dearly today. I hope he'll learn from this today as in the end, he has given himself a big humble cake to eat.

The lesson Norris should take today is that it doesn't matter how good you drive all the race, it's how you finish the race.
Reading changing conditions is hard, but in the end you also have to understand that it's a teamsport, and not just about 'you'.

Norris far too many tried to shush his team in certain messages that actually were important.
When the team said he must come in to boldly go 'NO!' was just plain foolish, and he got served an extremely hard aftermath, which not only cost him, but the team valuable points.

his own stubbornness cost the TEAM important points and his own win in the end.

It was gonna be tricky to stay ahead of Hamilton even without the rain, so when the rain came in he should've taken his gain with it. had he pitted immediately, he would have not had any issue with pit entry issues, and would most likely still have finished ahead of Hamilton, but no doubt guaranteed 2nd.
TLDR: A young driver didn't show mastery over all aspects of racecraft for the entire race while leading their first race. You don't say. Can we spot any other times he was in a similar situation and didn't learn the lesson? Seems these are lessons learned through experience and I hope he comes out having learned a thing or two. It seems a bit early to be talking ego after his support of the first 1,2 in nearly a decade. Red mist and big gamble, yes, but purely ego driven mistake, meh I don't buy it.

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That post was legit and was a screenshot of this tweet from what i can tell, instagram is just a horrid site with disappearing content that is only visible if you have an account, so there's no way to check/confirm once it's gone.

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Mercedes posted 23 pictures since yesterday morning
and that's even without their Stories.

Edit: I posted this because I wasn't agree with someone here who said that here has been posted lately a lot of garbage and trash from IG.
It was hard to make a choice to find two nice pictures out of 23, because they were all worthy to post here imo. ;-)


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Posts that were a personal spat between a couple of contributors, have been removed. Please stay on topic

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Exciting race, boring result.

Poor starts from both Max and Lewis, probably playing the long game.

What was more interesting is Lewis was unable to overtake, and Max had a hard time doing so.
IMO biggest mistake was early stop for Sainz.
RB was also too greedy with their early stop, I guess they tried to put pressure on Lewis, but that failed badly, even lost a place to Alonso.
Shame for Riccardo, that long stop damaged his race and let Lewis loose.

Incredible race from Lando, shame he was unable to win, I guess pressure was incredible!!!
Prefect timing of pitstop was crucial for max, and that was a result of his good communication with pitwall, exactly that thing that lacked with Lando.

After even Bottas questioned Wolf's decision, I feel that any future question about team orders from Mercedes/Hamilton fans would be pure hypocrisy.

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TimW wrote:
26 Sep 2021, 14:16
Why is Bottas always so kind to Max?
Easy, he´s equally kind with any driver. He´s just one of the worst drivers in wheel to wheel battles on the grid, he really does not know how to defend #-o

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Andres125sx wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 07:58
TimW wrote:
26 Sep 2021, 14:16
Why is Bottas always so kind to Max?
Easy, he´s equally kind with any driver. He´s just one of the worst drivers in wheel to wheel battles on the grid, he really does not know how to defend #-o
Well, you can use the unability to overtake, Hungary or France as examples.
But here? Honestly? It was a fly by with DRS. No matter if he goes to the inside or the outside, nothing to win.
With staying on the outside he at least made Ver use his tires, if he would have tried to go to the inside the only thing that would have happend is Bottas outbreaking himself and Ver saying "thank you for opening".
Don`t russel the hamster!