A little bit of intel on when Hamilton will be taking his 4th PU:
zibby43 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 20:46A little bit of intel on when Hamilton will be taking his 4th PU:
https://twitter.com/vetteleclerc/status ... 71009?s=21
Not sure if he used up the tyres too much in the first two sectors why he overcooked it in the third so can't really say if he could have gained 3 tenths. Can only go by the actual records.Juzh wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 11:15You missed silverstone where Hamilton should have been around 0.3 clear of Verstappen in qualifying but messed up final corner. His Q3 lap that was good enough for pole was slower than his Q2 lap, just goes to show they had a pretty big advantage there already.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑27 Sep 2021, 20:33Fight for the Championship Race Track Outlook
Tyre Characteristics of tracks at which Mercedes were comfortably fastest:
Shocking that Merc only been clearly faster on three tracks! And I have double checked!
Monza -Q3 Gap to rival 0.3s
Traction 3
Braking 4
Lateral 2
Tyre Stress 5
Asphalt grip 2
Asphalt abrasion 3
Downforce 1
Hungary -Q3 Gap to rival 0.4s
Traction 3
Braking 2
Lateral 4
Tyre Stress 3
Asphalt grip 3
Asphalt abrasion 2
Downforce 5
Portimao -Q3 Gap to rival 0.4s
Traction 4
Braking 4
Lateral 3
Tyre Stress 4
Asphalt grip ? (low from observation )
Asphalt abrasion ? (low from observation)
Downforce 4
It seems the car favours medium traction tracks (3 to 4), with moderate to high tyre stress (3 to 5). The car also had an advantage on slipperier tracks Asphalt grip and abrasion (low).
Upcoming Track
Istanbul Park
Traction 4
Braking 3
Lateral 4
Tyre Stress 5
Asphalt grip ? (expected to be low)
Asphalt abrasion ? (expected to be low)
Downforce 4
Judging by Istanbul Park's tyre parameters, Mercedes should in theory be ahead of RedBull! Well, the lateral rating of 4 mirrors Hungary, but Mercedes were stronger than RedBull there. So fingers crossed!
Does not matter. There is anyways a risk of not coming in at P3...and with starting last they will at least go to something like P6. Ver went in 2019 from dead last on a compromised strategy to P6. So they really do not loose much.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 22:05Not so sure Mexico would be the right place to take it anyway. The high altitude will make the DRS less effective, so a high risk of a tow train.
Yeah but the midfield cars are much closer in relative speed to the front runners than in 2019.basti313 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 22:44Does not matter. There is anyways a risk of not coming in at P3...and with starting last they will at least go to something like P6. Ver went in 2019 from dead last on a compromised strategy to P6. So they really do not loose much.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 22:05Not so sure Mexico would be the right place to take it anyway. The high altitude will make the DRS less effective, so a high risk of a tow train.
And with Qatar it is exactly the middle...5 races on the previous engine, 5 races afterwards.
Michael Schmidt is usually pretty reliable. He at least has direct access to the TPs and the teams’ engineers.dans79 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 21:52zibby43 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 20:46A little bit of intel on when Hamilton will be taking his 4th PU:
https://twitter.com/vetteleclerc/status ... 71009?s=21
That kind of reads like someone fishing for a story, throwing so many random quotes and statements together.
Dunno...Monza was hard on the tires and, thus, overtaking champ Bottas still went to P3 (P5 without the crashboys). Mexico is similarly difficult in terms of strategy and from competitive point of view Merc was the only team in 2019 being able to do a 1 stop with starting softer without position loss.holeindalip wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 22:55Yeah but the midfield cars are much closer in relative speed to the front runners than in 2019.basti313 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 22:44Does not matter. There is anyways a risk of not coming in at P3...and with starting last they will at least go to something like P6. Ver went in 2019 from dead last on a compromised strategy to P6. So they really do not loose much.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 22:05Not so sure Mexico would be the right place to take it anyway. The high altitude will make the DRS less effective, so a high risk of a tow train.
And with Qatar it is exactly the middle...5 races on the previous engine, 5 races afterwards.
The way it flows.
All the teams are having a hard time getting through the season in terms of engines," Wolff told Speedweek.com. "It's not just about durability, but also the extent to which an engine loses power over the course of its life. A dropout while your rival is winning means you need at least four good races to make up for that.
We are keeping a close eye on how the engines are performing in terms of stability, at the moment we don't see any difficulties. But we are looking at it from weekend to weekend. We don't want to rush things. It can also happen that you get involved in an incident during a weekend and have to start from the back anyway. That would then be the ideal moment to replace the engine,
I agree, it’s a coin toss nowadays with the aerodynamic sensitivity. Seems like tracks that were feasible to pass on 3-4 years ago are now almost impossible without a huge delta…guess Toto is going to have to choose the lesser of the two evils and we will all sit back and see how this pans out… anyone know when the last Honda powered car went out with pu issues?basti313 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 23:11Dunno...Monza was hard on the tires and, thus, overtaking champ Bottas still went to P3 (P5 without the crashboys). Mexico is similarly difficult in terms of strategy and from competitive point of view Merc was the only team in 2019 being able to do a 1 stop with starting softer without position loss.holeindalip wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 22:55Yeah but the midfield cars are much closer in relative speed to the front runners than in 2019.basti313 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 22:44
Does not matter. There is anyways a risk of not coming in at P3...and with starting last they will at least go to something like P6. Ver went in 2019 from dead last on a compromised strategy to P6. So they really do not loose much.
And with Qatar it is exactly the middle...5 races on the previous engine, 5 races afterwards.
Seeing how difficult it is to overtake I can see Mexico as maybe the only possible track besides COTA. 50:50 I would say.
Yours is an opinion, Michal Schmidt is reporting information gathered by AMuS from team engineers. As the single most reliable outlet in F1, I'd think twice before dismissing or questioning what they are reporting.dans79 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 23:23The way it flows.
it starts off with a conversation with toto. It then jumps to someone random opinion about what Lewis and Vettel stopping in Zandvoort means (even though we haven't heard anything about root cause ). Then it jumps to saying that per unnamed sources Vettel & Stroll, and Norris and Ricciardo will all have to take penalties. Then it alludes hamilton will need to as well.
I just find it questiable/convenient that the claim is ever Merc powered car besides Russell will need a need a 4th PU.
Just a few days ago Toto said this.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/94820/me ... ngine.html
All the teams are having a hard time getting through the season in terms of engines," Wolff told Speedweek.com. "It's not just about durability, but also the extent to which an engine loses power over the course of its life. A dropout while your rival is winning means you need at least four good races to make up for that.We are keeping a close eye on how the engines are performing in terms of stability, at the moment we don't see any difficulties. But we are looking at it from weekend to weekend. We don't want to rush things. It can also happen that you get involved in an incident during a weekend and have to start from the back anyway. That would then be the ideal moment to replace the engine,
https://f1i.autojournal.fr/magazine/mag ... t-lavenir/"We changed our engines not to add to our pool, but to understand the performance of our power unit. We have to solve all the glitches not only for this year's block but also for the next one. We are thinking about how we will continue the season."
This tells me that they may have taken an engine change early to get at the engine sooner for research purposes as it aligns with their R&D. Don't forget, we have more races next season again.b2bL44 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 08:31Yours is an opinion, Michal Schmidt is reporting information gathered by AMuS from team engineers. As the single most reliable outlet in F1, I'd think twice before dismissing or questioning what they are reporting.dans79 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 23:23The way it flows.
it starts off with a conversation with toto. It then jumps to someone random opinion about what Lewis and Vettel stopping in Zandvoort means (even though we haven't heard anything about root cause ). Then it jumps to saying that per unnamed sources Vettel & Stroll, and Norris and Ricciardo will all have to take penalties. Then it alludes hamilton will need to as well.
I just find it questiable/convenient that the claim is ever Merc powered car besides Russell will need a need a 4th PU.
Just a few days ago Toto said this.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/94820/me ... ngine.html
All the teams are having a hard time getting through the season in terms of engines," Wolff told Speedweek.com. "It's not just about durability, but also the extent to which an engine loses power over the course of its life. A dropout while your rival is winning means you need at least four good races to make up for that.We are keeping a close eye on how the engines are performing in terms of stability, at the moment we don't see any difficulties. But we are looking at it from weekend to weekend. We don't want to rush things. It can also happen that you get involved in an incident during a weekend and have to start from the back anyway. That would then be the ideal moment to replace the engine,
From running Russell's power unit to failure in Austria to running Bottas with more components, Merc are testing their reliability for both this season and next season:
https://f1i.autojournal.fr/magazine/mag ... t-lavenir/"We changed our engines not to add to our pool, but to understand the performance of our power unit. We have to solve all the glitches not only for this year's block but also for the next one. We are thinking about how we will continue the season."
Personally, I trust a verifiable quote from the team principle more than I do an unverifable one from an unknown team member.