2021 Mclaren F1 Team

[FittingMechanics]

Bittersweet.

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I noticed that Ivan Roldan was recently at MTC after he spent a year at Indicar. Could he have brought important information about Venturi tunels from this championship.

[adrianjordan]

Did this refer to anything in particular?

[_cerber1]

Did this refer to anything in particular?

[djos]

Did this refer to anything in particular?

He still won't be as cool as Daniel....

http://www.ricciardokart.com/daniel-ric ... ardo-kart/

[mwillems]

People are shitting on Lando’s “cockiness”, but he made the right call with the info he had.

This is the first time I have come back to this Forum since the race, the disappointment was genuinely too much for me.

Lando in the past was too meek and he did not own his own destiny in the way he raced and with how he was feeling about racing.

I like this Lando. Yeah he made a mistake and so did the team, but I want to see a Lando owning his future and his choices. The best drivers do that, and the best learn from their mistakes. Now is the time to do it, not in a championship season. So yeah, I'm p*ssed that he didn't come in, we knew it would rain some more, but I'm not sure that downpour was expected.

But he should have played it safe. Daniel won the last time round and he had nothing in his sights apart from all in on the race win and had confidence in his ability. This time it was the team that was too respectful and timid and should have Told Lando that HE needed to shut up and listen.

Youth reared it's head and he lost out, but this is the kind of experience that a serial winner needs to learn, like Hamilton and Verstappen. So yeah, it hurts, but it'll pay itself back in the future with more mature driving and better choices from Lando. It's worth the investment, no matter how much we wanted Lando to win and for the team to get back to back wins.

Edit: corrected spelling mistakes.

[AeroDynamic]

I remember watching the sky feature or Carlos had Lando, and another one where it was Lando and Johnny I think? And it was a small detail that stood out to me about Norris: he’s not very good at multitasking while driving. Not saying most drivers are good at that, but he seemed to make a big deal about the fact that he couldn’t focus on driving on the limit while being interviewed and talking.

That weakness was exposed here. His communication while focused, especially under pressure, is not very effective. But it was hardly mitigated by McLaren’s communication over the radio, they weren’t assertive with any advice, they sounded like they were nearly panicking when they were leaning on Lando about what to do. But then that goes back to whoever is running their weather data, either the weather people weren’t as confident and assertive about what they were interpreting, or McLaren struggled to take that advice because it’s so difficult to give up the lead in a marginal call.

[billamend]

Lando in the past was too meek and he did not won his own destiny in the way he raced anr with how he was feeling about racing.

Yeah, I was thinking recently about that. In the past Lando was accused of being too careful, not being aggressive enough. But when he is, people --- on him for taking risks and taking a stance.

Glad to read that acknowledgement from you. I agree, I rather him loose like this than playing it safe, at least until they are not fighting for a championship. It builds character.

[SmallSoldier]

Lando in the past was too meek and he did not won his own destiny in the way he raced anr with how he was feeling about racing.

Yeah, I was thinking recently about that. In the past Lando was accused of being too careful, not being aggressive enough. But when he is, people --- on him for taking risks and taking a stance.

Glad to read that acknowledgement from you. I agree, I rather him loose like this than playing it safe, at least until they are not fighting for a championship. It builds character.

That’s the tragedy of been a public figure… Your actions are judged and overanalyzed and it’s easy to always find fault on someone if that is what one is looking for.

What impresses me the most is how these kids handle the amount of scrutiny, criticism and pressure that comes with the job “off the track”… At 21, I know I would have handle all of it differently (not good) and even at twice that age, I would still probably struggle to keep my composure… That in itself is impressive (and I’m not talking only about Lando is what most young drivers deal with, but F1 is probably the biggest platform of them all).

[Big Tea]

People are shitting on Lando’s “cockiness”, but he made the right call with the info he had.

This is the first time I have come back to this Forum since the race, the disappointment was genuinely too much for me.

Lando in the past was too meek and he did not own his own destiny in the way he raced and with how he was feeling about racing.

I like this Lando. Yeah he made a mistake and so did the team, but I want to see a Lando owning his future and his choices. The best drivers do that, and the best learn from their mistakes. Now is the time to do it, not in a championship season. So yeah, I'm p*ssed that he didn't come in, we knew it would rain some more, but I'm not sure that downpour was expected.

But he should have played it safe. Daniel won the last time round and he had nothing in his sights apart from all in on the race win and had confidence in his ability. This time it was the team that was too respectful and timid and should have Told Lando that HE needed to shut up and listen.

Youth reared it's head and he lost out, but this is the kind of experience that a serial winner needs to learn, like Hamilton and Verstappen. So yeah, it hurts, but it'll pay itself back in the future with more mature driving and better choices from Lando. It's worth the investment, no matter how much we wanted Lando to win and for the team to get back to back wins.

Edit: corrected spelling mistakes.

Yip, indecision is usually worse than the wrong decision. However, I am still not sure he had all the information.
He is becoming a leader now

[mwillems]

Lando in the past was too meek and he did not won his own destiny in the way he raced anr with how he was feeling about racing.

Yeah, I was thinking recently about that. In the past Lando was accused of being too careful, not being aggressive enough. But when he is, people --- on him for taking risks and taking a stance.

Glad to read that acknowledgement from you. I agree, I rather him loose like this than playing it safe, at least until they are not fighting for a championship. It builds character.

That’s the tragedy of been a public figure… Your actions are judged and overanalyzed and it’s easy to always find fault on someone if that is what one is looking for.

What impresses me the most is how these kids handle the amount of scrutiny, criticism and pressure that comes with the job “off the track”… At 21, I know I would have handle all of it differently (not good) and even at twice that age, I would still probably struggle to keep my composure… That in itself is impressive (and I’m not talking only about Lando is what most young drivers deal with, but F1 is probably the biggest platform of them all).

<introspective reply>
As always there are two camps, and the upset camp tends to be very loud. You're my age small soldier, so you now well that we have gone through something comparable to the industrial revolution with the internet.

Sadly, it's at a very immature stage and the internet is the worst thing in the world for polarisation, and is a prime reason from Trump, Brexit, the rise of right wing feelings and.... everybody believing in their own opinion, simply because the internet likes to tell us what we want to hear. Google and Facebook are coded to do as much so really we are all stuffed on that front.

As always, this internet culture has informed us on how to behave in real life. At least until someone punches us in the face for being so obnoxious and we realise the internet is not real and that that kind of behaviour is neither helpful nor grown up.

And it does all come down to that ability to not to get upset and to keep a balanced view. A rare commodity indeed.

</introspective reply>

[mwillems]

People are shitting on Lando’s “cockiness”, but he made the right call with the info he had.

This is the first time I have come back to this Forum since the race, the disappointment was genuinely too much for me.

Lando in the past was too meek and he did not own his own destiny in the way he raced and with how he was feeling about racing.

I like this Lando. Yeah he made a mistake and so did the team, but I want to see a Lando owning his future and his choices. The best drivers do that, and the best learn from their mistakes. Now is the time to do it, not in a championship season. So yeah, I'm p*ssed that he didn't come in, we knew it would rain some more, but I'm not sure that downpour was expected.

But he should have played it safe. Daniel won the last time round and he had nothing in his sights apart from all in on the race win and had confidence in his ability. This time it was the team that was too respectful and timid and should have Told Lando that HE needed to shut up and listen.

Youth reared it's head and he lost out, but this is the kind of experience that a serial winner needs to learn, like Hamilton and Verstappen. So yeah, it hurts, but it'll pay itself back in the future with more mature driving and better choices from Lando. It's worth the investment, no matter how much we wanted Lando to win and for the team to get back to back wins.

Edit: corrected spelling mistakes.

Yip, indecision is usually worse than the wrong decision. However, I am still not sure he had all the information.
He is becoming a leader now

I think he didn't have all the information, but I do think he knows he was taking a risk.

Edit: I wasn't going to flesh that out because I don't want to sound anti Lando on this, because actually I'm not.

But he was slipping and sliding around the track and he knew that one mistake could end his race and that he couldn't get traction out of several corners. He stopped racing and played a game of chicken instead, and lost out big time. Half the track was ok but his tyres were never going to maintain temperature and he was going to lose grip everywhere. I agree the team should have dome more though, they were so timid.

But it's ok as long as he learns. Once a mistake, twice a fool. Let's see how he does next time, but I'm confident he will come back stronger.

[SmallSoldier]

Yeah, I was thinking recently about that. In the past Lando was accused of being too careful, not being aggressive enough. But when he is, people --- on him for taking risks and taking a stance.

Glad to read that acknowledgement from you. I agree, I rather him loose like this than playing it safe, at least until they are not fighting for a championship. It builds character.

That’s the tragedy of been a public figure… Your actions are judged and overanalyzed and it’s easy to always find fault on someone if that is what one is looking for.

What impresses me the most is how these kids handle the amount of scrutiny, criticism and pressure that comes with the job “off the track”… At 21, I know I would have handle all of it differently (not good) and even at twice that age, I would still probably struggle to keep my composure… That in itself is impressive (and I’m not talking only about Lando is what most young drivers deal with, but F1 is probably the biggest platform of them all).

<introspective reply>
As always there are two camps, and the upset camp tends to be very loud. You're my age small soldier, so you now well that we have gone through something comparable to the industrial revolution with the internet.

Sadly, it's at a very immature stage and the internet is the worst thing in the world for polarisation, and is a prime reason from Trump, Brexit, the rise of right wing feelings and.... everybody believing in their own opinion, simply because the internet likes to tell us what we want to hear. Google and Facebook are coded to do as much so really we are all stuffed on that front.

As always, this internet culture has informed us on how to behave in real life. At least until someone punches us in the face for being so obnoxious and we realise the internet is not real and that that kind of behaviour is neither helpful nor grown up.

And it does all come down to that ability to not to get upset and to keep a balanced view. A rare commodity indeed.

</introspective reply>

I agree with you 100%

[SmallSoldier]

Lando and the Team clocking the hard work hours to learn from Sochi… That’s great to see, exactly the type of attitude they need to keep growing and developing… Also in the article, Lando expects the team to be strong in several of the final races, with COTA, Mexico and potentially Abu Dhabi as good performance tracks for the team:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/norri ... s/6678413/

[Macklaren]

Fantastic to see. No wallowing in self-pity or what-ifs. Another sign of taking a step up as a driver and a team