2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[godlameroso]

I th8nk in redbull's case, the wdc could be more important for their marketing, especially in Holland.

Of course. The only top team which is indifferent to winning the WDC is Williams under Sir Frank. He is quite happy to let world champion drivers wander off elsewhere!

Certainly for midgrid and backmarker teams though, the revenue from the WCC is much more important than their best WDC placing.

Coming second and third in the drivers' title means the team is likely to win the constructors' title (unless the title winner has romped away from everyone and scored silly amounts of points, of course) and so get the team the maximum return. If one driver wins the title and the other is mid table, the team gets much less in return.

This is why Mercedes have always tried to get both cars as far up the grid as possible. Ferrari took the decision back in the Schuie days to favour one driver but they had a huge budget from tobacco advertising so the constructors' title and the revenue from it was less of an issue. Also, they were Ferrari - the most famous car brand in the world so they hardly needed the marketing.

Because Red Bull is basically a marketing organisation (the drink is a western adaptation of an existing Thai product marketed to western markets) they probably see more capital in having a champion driver than a champion car. After all, having Max's smiling face on an advert is likely to sell drinks to people than a picture of a racing car. Every time Max wins, the Red Bull logo is front and centre as seen here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 726%29.jpg

Mercedes, being a car manufacturer that markets their own products, will want to see the car as being as marketable as the drivers.

Red Bull appear to be following the Ferrari model rather than the Mercedes one.

Honda wants some of that glory too.

[godlameroso]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ista ... a/6678383/

Looks like they want to improve the grip on the slippery Istanbul Park circuit.

[Juzh]

We'll see if it actually works. Portimao was no better this year when everyone expected it to be.

[Just_a_fan]

Of course. The only top team which is indifferent to winning the WDC is Williams under Sir Frank. He is quite happy to let world champion drivers wander off elsewhere!

Certainly for midgrid and backmarker teams though, the revenue from the WCC is much more important than their best WDC placing.

Coming second and third in the drivers' title means the team is likely to win the constructors' title (unless the title winner has romped away from everyone and scored silly amounts of points, of course) and so get the team the maximum return. If one driver wins the title and the other is mid table, the team gets much less in return.

This is why Mercedes have always tried to get both cars as far up the grid as possible. Ferrari took the decision back in the Schuie days to favour one driver but they had a huge budget from tobacco advertising so the constructors' title and the revenue from it was less of an issue. Also, they were Ferrari - the most famous car brand in the world so they hardly needed the marketing.

Because Red Bull is basically a marketing organisation (the drink is a western adaptation of an existing Thai product marketed to western markets) they probably see more capital in having a champion driver than a champion car. After all, having Max's smiling face on an advert is likely to sell drinks to people than a picture of a racing car. Every time Max wins, the Red Bull logo is front and centre as seen here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 726%29.jpg

Mercedes, being a car manufacturer that markets their own products, will want to see the car as being as marketable as the drivers.

Red Bull appear to be following the Ferrari model rather than the Mercedes one.

Honda wants some of that glory too.

Shouldn't have left then, should they?

[Wouter]

[Nathanael F1]

At the moment there are 7 remaining races. Who is expected to have the advantage?

Turkey: last year was unrepresentative
USA: Mercedes?
Mexico: Red Bull?
Brazil: Red Bull?
Qatar: new track
Saudi Arabia: new track
Abu Dhabi: could go either way?

[godlameroso]

Coming second and third in the drivers' title means the team is likely to win the constructors' title (unless the title winner has romped away from everyone and scored silly amounts of points, of course) and so get the team the maximum return. If one driver wins the title and the other is mid table, the team gets much less in return.

This is why Mercedes have always tried to get both cars as far up the grid as possible. Ferrari took the decision back in the Schuie days to favour one driver but they had a huge budget from tobacco advertising so the constructors' title and the revenue from it was less of an issue. Also, they were Ferrari - the most famous car brand in the world so they hardly needed the marketing.

Because Red Bull is basically a marketing organisation (the drink is a western adaptation of an existing Thai product marketed to western markets) they probably see more capital in having a champion driver than a champion car. After all, having Max's smiling face on an advert is likely to sell drinks to people than a picture of a racing car. Every time Max wins, the Red Bull logo is front and centre as seen here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 726%29.jpg

Mercedes, being a car manufacturer that markets their own products, will want to see the car as being as marketable as the drivers.

Red Bull appear to be following the Ferrari model rather than the Mercedes one.

Honda wants some of that glory too.

Shouldn't have left then, should they?

This is an interesting topic that isn't so straightforward to answer. Honda is Japanese, they are an outsider in a European shark tank. Besides Honda leaving brings its own blessings, the Mercedes team knows this all too well. Red Bull is very gracious and thankful for Honda, and so too Honda is also gracious and thankful because of Red Bull's political clout that they are able to compete as they are.

McLaren's political clout is greater now with Zak Brown because he has similar political clout within his organization as he does externally. Ron Dennis on the other hand had no allies outside of his team, focusing on his political clout within the organization at the expense of everything else.

Things are different now, because Mercedes has forced other teams' hands to form temporary political alliances because they're being affected by Mercedes political maneuvers. This is naturally to be expected because the head Mercedes man has made it obvious that he is both top dog in his organization and to the FIA, and politics is always a contest for power. By being so bold one paints a target on their back, some people just have more people to shield them from the arrows sent their way.

[dxpetrov]

At the moment there are 7 remaining races. Who is expected to have the advantage?

Turkey: last year was unrepresentative
USA: Mercedes?
Mexico: Red Bull?
Brazil: Red Bull?
Qatar: new track
Saudi Arabia: new track
Abu Dhabi: could go either way?

RB all the way actually. Ppl need to understand that even Sochi should have been in RB favor if they didn't have to take the penalties. Even in Monza, Verstapen was able to challenge Bottas during the sprint race.

[ringo]

Yes looking on perez pace behind LH100, it was clear Sochi was very competitive for the Redbull in race pace.
Might even say if Max did not get a penalty he had a good chance of winning that race on the car's abilities.

[Dee]

Yes looking on perez pace behind LH100, it was clear Sochi was very competitive for the Redbull in race pace.
Might even say if Max did not get a penalty he had a good chance of winning that race on the car's abilities.

Wasn't Hamilton held up by Ricciardo? How can we judge

[TNTHead]

This is good stuff:

[Cassius]

At the moment there are 7 remaining races. Who is expected to have the advantage?

Turkey: last year was unrepresentative
USA: Mercedes?
Mexico: Red Bull?
Brazil: Red Bull?
Qatar: new track
Saudi Arabia: new track
Abu Dhabi: could go either way?

RB all the way actually. Ppl need to understand that even Sochi should have been in RB favor if they didn't have to take the penalties. Even in Monza, Verstapen was able to challenge Bottas during the sprint race.

Bottas didn't have to push harder than needed and Max benefitted from DRS. Also, Bottas is a few tenths slower than Lewis.

It is quite clear to me the Mercedes has been the better car since their Silverstone upgrade, mainly on tyre deg allowing them to push more in the race.

In Sochi Perez couldn't follow Ham in free air, while his hard tyres should have been in a better condition than Ham's mediums at the end of the stint.

[etusch]

At the moment there are 7 remaining races. Who is expected to have the advantage?

Turkey: last year was unrepresentative
USA: Mercedes?
Mexico: Red Bull?
Brazil: Red Bull?
Qatar: new track
Saudi Arabia: new track
Abu Dhabi: could go either way?

RB all the way actually. Ppl need to understand that even Sochi should have been in RB favor if they didn't have to take the penalties. Even in Monza, Verstapen was able to challenge Bottas during the sprint race.

Bottas didn't have to push harder than needed and Max benefitted from DRS. Also, Bottas is a few tenths slower than Lewis.

It is quite clear to me the Mercedes has been the better car since their Silverstone upgrade, mainly on tyre deg allowing them to push more in the race.

In Sochi Perez couldn't follow Ham in free air, while his hard tyres should have been in a better condition than Ham's mediums at the end of the stint.

I can not understand how it is happening. Ham says his tyres gone then drives many laps and not slow.
In sochi Norris did same. He complained graining then he said it became good then he overtook sainz. If sainz also lived same why his tyres not became better again?

[etusch]

From P20-P2: Max Verstappen fights through the field in Sochi

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/vide ... Yx8rkDsykI

[dans79]

I can not understand how it is happening. Ham says his tyres gone then drives many laps and not slow.
In sochi Norris did same. He complained graining then he said it became good then he overtook sainz. If sainz also lived same why his tyres not became better again?

I believe Norris mentioned why in one of his radio messages, fuel burn off, and track evolution was masking tyre degradation.