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I can’t really agree with that. They dithered and got caught inbetween the devil and the deep blue sea. It’s true the weather did no favours and they were clearly waiting for a crossover time that never came, but I’d have liked to see them be more aggressive and come in 1-2 laps after Perez and just try to pass him on track. The way it panned out he’d probably have finished third. If the tyres really were at risk of failing then fair enough for bringing him in eventually and taking 10 points rather than zero, but they dropped the ball big time strategy wise here.
I said it on the race thread but I wish they’d stop being so robotic and use their own brains and eyes to see what’s going on in the real world around them rather than trusting the output of a computer time and again.
Can you say what would happen if Lewis did pit right after Perez?
This is how I see it:
Ham pits, comes out behind perez.
Leclerc pits and comes out way ahead of both Ham and Perez.
Perez tyres grain, ham gets closer, then his tyres start to grain.
Perez start to go quicker, then Ham start to go quicker.
Ham tries again to fight with Perez.. they may crash as Perez was going to fight with nothing to lose.
Leclerc continues on his merry way to P-3.
Hamilton possibly passes perez and has to chase Lecler who may be 6 seconds up the road or more..
He doesn't catch leclerc at the end.
That the best case outcome. Worst case.. LH and Perez come together because Perez would not hold back and doesn't mind taking him out.
Can you say what would happen if Lewis did pit right after Perez?
This is how I see it:
Ham pits, comes out behind perez.
Leclerc pits and comes out way ahead of both Ham and Perez.
Perez tyres grain, ham gets closer, then his tyres start to grain.
Perez start to go quicker, then Ham start to go quicker.
Ham tries again to fight with Perez.. they may crash as Perez was going to fight with nothing to lose.
Leclerc continues on his merry way to P-3.
Hamilton possibly passes perez and has to chase Lecler who may be 6 seconds up the road or more..
He doesn't catch leclerc at the end.
That the best case outcome. Worst case.. LH and Perez come together because Perez would not hold back and doesn't mind taking him out.
I don’t think what Hamilton did would have influenced what Leclerc did at all. He was win or bust and racing Verstappen and Bottas. In fact Ferrari made the same mistake as Mercedes and left him out far too long which ruined his chance of a podium. If Hamilton copies Perez he finishes 4th at worst and likely third or even who knows? FWIW the team should back their best driver or at least put it in his hands in a better car to get past Perez on the second stint on similar tyres rather then being indecisive. He was far quicker on equal rubber.
By the time they did pit him it was just to avoid worst case scenario of a DNF from the mess they created by not pulling the trigger earlier. They dithered themselves out of options as they have so many times in the past and the only reason I can think of is that they were hoping it would dry enough for slicks with enough laps left for it to count.They chucked away some points today which they can ill afford to do.
Well the unknown is leclerc. And remember he could have come in for tyres. So it's not as obvious as it appears.
A podium was not a given. Someone had to make a wrong choice for Lewis to get on the podium and no one did relative to him.
Possibly what should have happened is that mercedes should have understood that track was never going to dry and pit Lewis 20 laps to the end. He would have won the race with that strategy.
Well the unknown is leclerc. And remember he could have come in for tyres. So it's not as obvious as it appears.
A podium was not a given. Someone had to make a wrong choice for Lewis to get on the podium and no one did relative to him.
Possibly what should have happened is that mercedes should have understood that track was never going to dry and pit Lewis 20 laps to the end. He would have won the race with that strategy.
I gotcha, but why would he react to Hamilton if he didn’t react to Perez, Verstappen or Bottas? I think LeClerc was staying out regardless.
Possibly he was watching Lewis continue and felt there was something in it?
I am not sure.
But these kinds of races are difficult to judge nonetheless. At some point I was even thinking slick tyres. It has been hit and miss with all these damp races.
What do we have to look forward to for the remaining races?
COTA - Hamilton +7
Mexico - Max + 7
Brazil - 50/50
Qatar - Max +7
Jedah - Hamilton +7
Abu Dhabi - Hamilton +7
Hamilton +21 Max + 14 +6 currently = 1 point in it.
Brazil, Sprint race and fastest lap points are important.
Mercedes need to capitalize.
If they lose this year they can see where they have dropped the ball a few times. Redbull have maximized more than they have.
Lots of people out on bad tyres means lots of opportunity for S/C Or V/S/C, Sky crew said it was raining just off the straight too so I think it was a good idea not to jump too soon.
However, it became too late by the time the decision was made. Its a gamble as always
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The obvious mistake of the team here was they never concidered that Hamilton could stay out. Perhaps they didn't realise it wasn't mandatory even. Ferrari obviously did not concider that scenario, and then realised when LeClerc woke them up that they could have went for the win, had it been possible to keep Bottas behind - which was too big a fish to catch though.
What was mind-boggling then is that Ferrari then did not just 'accept' that scenario, but even pitted Leclerc anyway. Leclerc would have had a chance to finish P2, perhaps even P3.
Pitting him would destroy that opportinity completely. Just because Bottas passed him did not mean that it was bad to stay out.
And most surprising is that Mercedes did not think hey, let's look into that. They already decided that Hamilton needed to pit and because of Perez' driving and tires that would mean he'd end up P4 at best. Pitting Lewis any lap later would see him lose positions, first LeClerc, then Gasly if they didn't watch out perhaps even Norris.
But the most shocking thus is that Mercedes never concidered leaving Hamilton out, which is actually which was on Lewis mind all along. And with reason, his tires were hot and good enough to keep going without any problems. They then probably were afraid tires to go, or simply didnt believe it fathomable so then let's pit him fast. Again, stupid, as staying out would have meant Perez even if faster would have still needed to find way to overtake him, and for that he would need to get off the racing line, and with merely a few laps left.
Again, totally stupid of Mercedes to pit Hamilton. that cost them P3 in Turkey and lost Hamilton 5 points for no reason at all.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"
The obvious mistake of the team here was they never concidered that Hamilton could stay out. Perhaps they didn't realise it wasn't mandatory even. Ferrari obviously did not concider that scenario, and then realised when LeClerc woke them up that they could have went for the win, had it been possible to keep Bottas behind - which was too big a fish to catch though.
What was mind-boggling then is that Ferrari then did not just 'accept' that scenario, but even pitted Leclerc anyway. Leclerc would have had a chance to finish P2, perhaps even P3.
Pitting him would destroy that opportinity completely. Just because Bottas passed him did not mean that it was bad to stay out.
And most surprising is that Mercedes did not think hey, let's look into that. They already decided that Hamilton needed to pit and because of Perez' driving and tires that would mean he'd end up P4 at best. Pitting Lewis any lap later would see him lose positions, first LeClerc, then Gasly if they didn't watch out perhaps even Norris.
But the most shocking thus is that Mercedes never concidered leaving Hamilton out, which is actually which was on Lewis mind all along. And with reason, his tires were hot and good enough to keep going without any problems. They then probably were afraid tires to go, or simply didnt believe it fathomable so then let's pit him fast. Again, stupid, as staying out would have meant Perez even if faster would have still needed to find way to overtake him, and for that he would need to get off the racing line, and with merely a few laps left.
Again, totally stupid of Mercedes to pit Hamilton. that cost them P3 in Turkey and lost Hamilton 5 points for no reason at all.
Pirelli warned the teams before hand not to go the full distance so maybe that was taken into consideration.even so they knew the tires would grain, they just did it too late.
The obvious mistake of the team here was they never concidered that Hamilton could stay out. Perhaps they didn't realise it wasn't mandatory even. Ferrari obviously did not concider that scenario, and then realised when LeClerc woke them up that they could have went for the win, had it been possible to keep Bottas behind - which was too big a fish to catch though.
What was mind-boggling then is that Ferrari then did not just 'accept' that scenario, but even pitted Leclerc anyway. Leclerc would have had a chance to finish P2, perhaps even P3.
Pitting him would destroy that opportinity completely. Just because Bottas passed him did not mean that it was bad to stay out.
And most surprising is that Mercedes did not think hey, let's look into that. They already decided that Hamilton needed to pit and because of Perez' driving and tires that would mean he'd end up P4 at best. Pitting Lewis any lap later would see him lose positions, first LeClerc, then Gasly if they didn't watch out perhaps even Norris.
But the most shocking thus is that Mercedes never concidered leaving Hamilton out, which is actually which was on Lewis mind all along. And with reason, his tires were hot and good enough to keep going without any problems. They then probably were afraid tires to go, or simply didnt believe it fathomable so then let's pit him fast. Again, stupid, as staying out would have meant Perez even if faster would have still needed to find way to overtake him, and for that he would need to get off the racing line, and with merely a few laps left.
Again, totally stupid of Mercedes to pit Hamilton. that cost them P3 in Turkey and lost Hamilton 5 points for no reason at all.
Pirelli warned the teams before hand not to go the full distance so maybe that was taken into consideration.even so they knew the tires would grain, they just did it too late.
obviously the pitstop was way too late, so taking the stop by then just really made no sense anymore. They already passed their window, and there was little reason to believe the tires would give way and fail. Since they were too late anyway, this again shows how unfathomable it was to then not take the option to stay out. It's not like the tires had to be changed, they were still fine.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"
Another lost weekend for Lewis...Spa, Monza and Turkey were all tracks that he was miles faster and should have won easily! He would have been way clear in the WDC by now!
Anyway...what a difficult championship that is for Mercedes! I'm still shocked at how Lewis is so close to Verstapen in the championship after so many "so-so" races for him! Hopefully Turkey's pace was real and not just a track-specific pace advantage! Mexico and Brazil are two lost races already as Red Bull has always been fast there and Mercedes struggles!
"The only rule is there are no rules" - Aristotle Onassis
The obvious mistake of the team here was they never concidered that Hamilton could stay out. Perhaps they didn't realise it wasn't mandatory even. Ferrari obviously did not concider that scenario, and then realised when LeClerc woke them up that they could have went for the win, had it been possible to keep Bottas behind - which was too big a fish to catch though.
What was mind-boggling then is that Ferrari then did not just 'accept' that scenario, but even pitted Leclerc anyway. Leclerc would have had a chance to finish P2, perhaps even P3.
Pitting him would destroy that opportinity completely. Just because Bottas passed him did not mean that it was bad to stay out.
And most surprising is that Mercedes did not think hey, let's look into that. They already decided that Hamilton needed to pit and because of Perez' driving and tires that would mean he'd end up P4 at best. Pitting Lewis any lap later would see him lose positions, first LeClerc, then Gasly if they didn't watch out perhaps even Norris.
But the most shocking thus is that Mercedes never concidered leaving Hamilton out, which is actually which was on Lewis mind all along. And with reason, his tires were hot and good enough to keep going without any problems. They then probably were afraid tires to go, or simply didnt believe it fathomable so then let's pit him fast. Again, stupid, as staying out would have meant Perez even if faster would have still needed to find way to overtake him, and for that he would need to get off the racing line, and with merely a few laps left.
Again, totally stupid of Mercedes to pit Hamilton. that cost them P3 in Turkey and lost Hamilton 5 points for no reason at all.
Pirelli warned the teams before hand not to go the full distance so maybe that was taken into consideration.even so they knew the tires would grain, they just did it too late.
obviously the pitstop was way too late, so taking the stop by then just really made no sense anymore. They already passed their window, and there was little reason to believe the tires would give way and fail. Since they were too late anyway, this again shows how unfathomable it was to then not take the option to stay out. It's not like the tires had to be changed, they were still fine.
I’d like to see Bottas/Verstappen/Hamilton’s lap times over the race
A simple insight would've given them +25 points. I disappointed in the team that this wasn't foreseen in the design process of that component.
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A simple insight would've given them +25 points. I disappointed in the team that this wasn't foreseen in the design process of that component.
There are still ergonomic mistakes that get uncovered on airplanes that have been flying for 20 years. Never showed themselves to be a problem until the holes in the cheese line up perfectly to produce a sub-optimal outcome. It only then gets fixed.
