What a silly story. The engine was designed and built long ago and precedures and practices won’t have changed since those guys left. It’s far too early for them to be having a significant effect with either manufacturer- especially if they haven’t even started at RBR yet.toraabe wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 16:17And now this. Couldn't be more far from thruth.. https://racingnews365.com/are-staff-swi ... ine-issues
I wouldn't consider it to be a silly story so easily, the original article is from AMuS, as follows:El Scorchio wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 16:41What a silly story. The engine was designed and built long ago and precedures and practices won’t have changed since those guys left. It’s far too early for them to be having a significant effect with either manufacturer- especially if they haven’t even started at RBR yet.toraabe wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 16:17And now this. Couldn't be more far from thruth.. https://racingnews365.com/are-staff-swi ... ine-issues
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ampf-2021/What is the cost of the personnel loss?
Mercedes can do little at the moment to solve the problems. It's too late in the season to intervene. Most engineers are already working on the E10 adaptation for 2022, and the problems with the current combustion engine are not all understood yet either. Toto Wolff said, "All we can do at the moment is narrow down the problems and muddle through as best we can. There's no point in designing new parts anymore."
There is no explanation yet for the puzzling losses. One would guess a faulty batch of parts, but then it would affect one batch and not all. One engineer brings into play that perhaps the major bloodletting at the engine factory in Brixworth is starting to have an impact. Red Bull has poached double-digit numbers of employees from Mercedes High Performance Powertrains. That kind of thing always causes unrest.
The drivers have to live with what the technicians offer them. Both Verstappen and Hamilton spoke for the first time in Istanbul about how their world wouldn't collapse for them if they only finished second in the end. As long as there's nothing to reproach themselves for. It sounds like everything in this title race is no longer in their hands.
In the last two races, Hamilton has a lot to blame himself for. He wanted to be smarter than his strategists. In Sochi, he got off lightly. Two weeks later, he squandered a possible third place by delaying his pit stop. Verstappen, on the other hand, seems to have gone through a learning process. He has learned to finish second instead of trying to do the impossible. He could still need that if he wants to become world champion.
Seems the figure is somewhere around the half century mark.
Speculation trough and trough. You'd think mercedes is smart enough to account for those variables and replace all components than needed to be replaced. I don't believe for a second they have any problems on ERS side.pursue_one's wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 14:32La Gazzetta dello Sport Editor Paolo Filisetti has been looking at the telemetry from the Turkish Grand Prix and something has struck him: " A difference in engine mode could explain the increased performance of the Mercedes engine,' the Italian thinks. (Turkey)It was not the top speed that stood out, but the acceleration of the W12 out of the slow corners. So part of that faster acceleration is because of the fact that the W12 came out of the corners easier because of the higher level of downforce. So the other part could be because of effective use of the ERS system. "
However, the modified use of the part also means that Mercedes is putting more pressure on the electrical system, which they did not replace in Lewis Hamilton's case in Turkey, for example.
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Exactly.Juzh wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 16:01Speculation trough and trough. You'd think mercedes is smart enough to account for those variables and replace all components than needed to be replaced. I don't believe for a second they have any problems on ERS side.pursue_one's wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 14:32La Gazzetta dello Sport Editor Paolo Filisetti has been looking at the telemetry from the Turkish Grand Prix and something has struck him: " A difference in engine mode could explain the increased performance of the Mercedes engine,' the Italian thinks. (Turkey)It was not the top speed that stood out, but the acceleration of the W12 out of the slow corners. So part of that faster acceleration is because of the fact that the W12 came out of the corners easier because of the higher level of downforce. So the other part could be because of effective use of the ERS system. "
However, the modified use of the part also means that Mercedes is putting more pressure on the electrical system, which they did not replace in Lewis Hamilton's case in Turkey, for example.
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Claim that they exit corners faster is another one that's far fetched. I'm not saying they absolutely don't, but In order for a car to have such an advantage on straights because of better corner exits they'd have to be on a completely different planet.
Looking at plot below it seems red bull even in turkey with all that understeer was still at worst level trough corners compared to mercedes, so that theory can go in the dust bin quickly. Lets not forget Hamilton ran almost monaco sized rear wing and that Verstappen is known as early breaker that focuses more on corner exits.
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ICE only, 5 place drop only. most likely testing for next year.
Would they go for a 6. ICE just for testing reasons in such a tight championship, though? I’ve the feeling they’re really pushing the reliability limits. Would also explain their huge power jump lately.
10 for the first replacement then 5 for each one after.